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for the masses headline edition july 8

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found

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and is now in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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threat from outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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bespoke radio for the

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masses today's wednesday

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june 16 2021

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168 days into the new year

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only 197 days left

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere

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a total undisclosed location

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but it is beautiful unless you saw the

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mailbox ted

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you like that find that mailbox

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find that mailbox and uh by the way it's

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black

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maybe for kjcr of the game changer

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kg r a the planet i'm your host jimmy

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church i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states hither and

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tether to and further back and forth up

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and near this is fade to block i'm your

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host jimmy church let's do this

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got a great night tonight trey hudson is

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and uh three three three one two three

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three in glorious bastards

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three three first-time guests this week

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man i love first-time guests that's it

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that's it's like my

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favorite thing to do first-time guest so

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trey hudson is here

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and uh we are going to be talking about

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he wrote a book it's called the meadow

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obviously about the meadow so we're

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it's somewhere it's somewhere

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south of lake michigan that's it that's

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but we're going to talk about this

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location tonight everything is going

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and trey's background and how he got

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uh it's just an extraordinary story what

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what a life's adventure a hero's journey

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so we're going to do all of that tonight

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background no it's not

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madeline there is no music playing in

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madeline shake your head madeline

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madeleine it's supposed to be playing in

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speak over the madeline you've been

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for how many years and everything is

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um trey hudson is here so

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it was a very busy very interesting day

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uh here in the bunker and i am going to

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get to all of that follow me on twitter

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at j church radio follow me right there

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at

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church radio and a hashtag f2b is

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the sandbox uh where everybody hangs out

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and breaks their own versions of

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and of course we have uh spreaker we

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and uh before i get to the breaking news

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uh i posted earlier today i

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introduced john ferris uh to you fader

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knots in social media

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he is a jeweler he is an artist uh an

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a very very warm soul very cool dude but

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very talented and uh he's our new

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newest sponsor here at uh fade to black

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and i posted some pictures

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and uh so i want to show you this

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this is a a piece of john's work

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um that i now have i'm i'm holding this

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and you can see this this is a pendant

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um that is in there and when uh so

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bling and that's from john ferris

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and the piece that uh billy had i

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almost got that instead of billy

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um i was in front of him but i ended up

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and it's incredible and john had all of

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so it's all amazing right it's hard to

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and then uh but i got a second piece

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and i want to show that to you now you

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all of the links are up and we'll have

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it over at jimmychurchradio.com shortly

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and then there is this this is really

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bam that's right that's meteorite

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and it's this is you just look at it

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it's incredible look at that that's a

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wow so john uh you can go and visit his

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and uh check out his stuff

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and resonate with something um it's all

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right there but john's gonna be with us

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for a very long time and welcome to the

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family john

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i hope you're listening welcome to the

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again check that out

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check that out all right

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yeah that's incredible that's incredible

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that's uh that's the real deal stuff and

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uh again thank you john welcome to the

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and and look at his incredible stuff

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it's absolutely world

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class all right let's uh let's get to

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i know you were following this and i

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because earlier today the united states

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navy and the fbi gave a classified

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subcommittee on counterterrorism counter

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on unidentified aerial phenomena they

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lord knows what they were talking about

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of the house as they exited and i'm

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now and i will get that to you tomorrow

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um all of this

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carson's office carson said and i'm

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wherever that may lead whatever

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debris or anything else

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today's briefing and the coming report

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in that direction and quote and that was

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schiff's office incredible day uh lots

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my phone was ringing all day today

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i'll discuss that in just a bit china

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will be sending the first astronauts

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to its self-developed space station

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sometime

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during the show tonight the shenzhou 12

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spacecraft carrying three astronauts

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will be launched atop a long march 2f

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rocket from the xinquan satellite launch

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center in northwest china it is china's

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manned mission since 2016 and

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the first time astronauts will go to the

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country's new space station

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which is still in development you

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remember what dropped out of the sky

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last month that took stuff up

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up into space so that's where they're

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space launch system is now lifting off

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the cereal aisle that's right

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at a grocery store near you the

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artemis program rocket which the u.s

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space agency is assembling to send

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astronauts back to the lunar surface

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is now sharing space that's right

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with those little marshmallow

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marshmallow puffs and

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lucky charms right there on the front of

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those cereal boxes so

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and it says limited edition galactic

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lucky charms are racing into space with

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nasa's artemis one

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for an out of this world adventure lucky

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charms twitter

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sent that out and announced it earlier

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i was hoping for some little rocket

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marshmallows you know that's

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i wanted some little artemis

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marshmallows but it's just printed on

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the box but it's still pretty cool

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all right also released today the

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debsuana diamond

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company a unit of de beers

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unearthed are you ready for this a 1098

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carat stone a diamond in botswana

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they did this back on june 1st the

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largest since the company began

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operations five decades ago

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preliminary analysis suggests that the

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stone is the world's

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third third

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largest gem quality diamond ever

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after the colon uh the cullinan diamond

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that was discovered in south africa in

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1905

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and the lassen down in botswana back in

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2015

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botswana accounts for more than

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two-thirds of debeer's

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output you're right now think about this

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how much money does de beers make

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in a year right controlling the world

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diamond trade how much do they make how

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much does bets wanna get from that

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i read today it was only two billion

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dollars

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something in that uh yeah it doesn't

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feel right to me let's get this show

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cracking

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happy birthday to today i just mentioned

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it in glorious bastards

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three you remember the scene three

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daniel bruhl today is 43 and he played

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frederick zoller in inglorious bastards

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that's

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right he was uh he was the dude the nazi

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featured in the film

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when they shot up hitler's face in the

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end it was pretty cool pretty cool all

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right

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tom bones malone of the blues brothers

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today 74 years old our dead guy's

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birthday today as you know this is

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coming tupac

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tupac shakur 1971-1996 died at the age

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of 25.

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tupac is widely considered to be one of

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the most influential rappers of all time

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well we all know what happened on

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september 7th 1996 at about 11 15 p.m

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and a stoplight on the strip in las

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vegas

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a white four-door late model cadillac

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pulled up

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to the passenger side of the bmw that

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suge knight and tupac were in

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and an occupant of the cadillac rapidly

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fired into the car

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shakur was stuck for four times once in

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the arm

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once in the thigh and twice in the chest

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on the afternoon of september 13th

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tupac died from internal bleeding

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happy birthday tupac on this day in

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history

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1963 soviet cosmonaut

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valentina tarik shova becomes

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the first woman in space fader fact 8 in

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1986

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man i love this that's a great story

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it's a great documentary should make a

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tv series out of this

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in 1986 cliff stoll

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an astronomer trying to trace a 75

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cent computer time discrepancy for 10

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months

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at lawrence livermore labs eventually

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found who was at fault it was

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a german hacker in germany

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who hacked into the systems here in the

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united states

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and was step selling state secrets

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nuclear secrets to the kgb

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it's a great story and cliff is a cool

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dude just an astronomer

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just got his gig phd he's just hanging

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out

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and lawrence livermore gets tasked you

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know

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75 cents is off every single month uh go

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figure this out that's all it was

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10 months later nuclear secrets the

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cia's involved the nsa's involved the

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fbi's involved the military's involved

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it was crazy it was crazy but they

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caught him and it was a whole team of

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hackers

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over there in germany tonight very

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special guest

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trey hudson is here we're discussing the

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meadow project

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three three first-time guests this week

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oh man what a great week trey's amazing

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and he's gonna be with us at the bottom

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of the hour

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right now it's time for me to hit this

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river moon coffee because i got

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rivermoonwellness.com

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fade to black blend visit our amazon

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store too as well

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all the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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look at this bling man look at that

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you're gonna see me i'm gonna be out at

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a conference

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i'm going to be out doing something and

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it's going to be right here

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oh i got a chain on i should put this

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chain oh

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during the break during the break i'm

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gonna see if i can rig that john ferris

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he's amazing he's absolutely amazing

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lucky charms frosted flakes are those

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are those good frosted flakes lucky

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charms

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i need to report back on this nelson

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i need to find out because that the

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original lucky charms that's that's

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that's tough to beat in the world of

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cereals

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you know lucky charms lucky charms is up

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to you know the king of the hill

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right captain crunch regular straight

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captain crunch the red box the one that

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we know

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you know top of the captain crunch

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peanut butter crunch right top

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lucky charms is right there

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you can't mess with that formula man but

431
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maybe lucky charms frosted flakes that

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could work

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i need a report back i want to know who

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has had lucky charms frosted flakes

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purple box

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i remember that i remember when we did

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that like seven years ago

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somehow on fader night we started

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talking about breakfast cereals

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and the phone calls that was a fun night

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and i swore that i'd never do it again

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you know this

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is supposed to be a show with uh with

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integrity and knowledge and

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and intelligence and we're talking about

446
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breakfast cereals for three hours

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that was a good night that was a good

448
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night all right

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the magic lightning only strikes you

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can't

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conversation again

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it happened then we went through the

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art of the breakfast cereal

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how you do it when you do it why you do

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it

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though

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today i spent

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the day on the phone all day

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i was speaking with different

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individuals throughout the community

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and beyond and in the media

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00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,159
that were calling me to discuss what is

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going on right now and yes the breaking

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news was happening and i was popping

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that out and there was two or three

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stories that broke today

467
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and uh it was pretty amazing

468
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to hear the concern in their voices

469
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excitement little panicky right

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searching for

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answers and a couple of media networks

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called

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me today both uh major news networks

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now i'm not going to uh get into the

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details of that

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i can't and i won't and it's it's it's

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not me it's not my story so i'm not

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going to do that but

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but they were calling me for answers not

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for an

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interview they were just they were just

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asking a couple questions

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and uh i was like wow that's pretty

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interesting

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now it started with two separate phone

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calls and a few follow-up texts

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you know that came in after that it was

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really funny because i said and i quote

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yes i have your answer i do

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i do and you know that i have your

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answer but

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i'm not gonna give it to you not gonna

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do it because

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you're gonna probably publish it of

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course you will

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and those out there that gave me

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the info will know exactly where it came

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from and i don't want to be the leak in

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the boat

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and i said this i said this today to not

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one not two not three not four not five

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not six seven eight people

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yeah a couple of news organizations and

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one

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of uh it was a third news organization

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big one that uh called me for something

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else he just needed some

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some stuff and uh

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that was the bbc you know they

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interviewed me uh

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uh last week and they needed a couple of

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details so it was

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so you can even add them to all of this

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it was uh pretty nuts but i'm not going

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to be that guy

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i'm not going to do it i'm just not

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going to do it i'm going to sit on this

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in the follow-up text where was

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something uh you know

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you know jimmy we don't have to use your

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name and i'm like yeah right of course

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you don't

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and and and don't don't it it doesn't

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matter

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they're going to know the source i'm not

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going to be the guy i'm just not going

527
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to be the guy

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now i'm not saying any of this because

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it sounds cool and yeah it is pretty

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cool but that's not the reason why i'm

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saying it

532
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i'm talking about it now with you

533
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because ufos and uaps are the

534
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subject right now the conversation that

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i had with the media today was virtually

536
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the same conversation i had with

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everybody else today

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word for word and in the middle of all

539
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of this i got

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00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:59,840
the phone call more info more direct

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info and i'm like

542
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,600
i'm sitting here i'm like holy crap but

543
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:05,440
i gotta sit on it

544
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,400
i have to and there's reasons for that

545
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:10,320
right i could be the guy i could just go

546
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and post and then you don't know if it's

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real

548
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:19,760
you don't the stuff that i have been

549
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:23,760
told had better play out

550
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exactly as i have it because if it

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doesn't

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then i know i've been played and i'm not

553
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:31,200
going to publish it and have it

554
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,720
be incorrect because then i no i'm not

555
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i'm just not going to do it i'm not

556
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:39,279
going to do it i'm not

557
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,360
right now i don't think i've been played

558
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,400
i don't but this is the ufo game

559
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:48,720
it's the ufo game and right now things

560
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:49,520
are very

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00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,559
very intense trust me

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00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,559
now i see all of the moving pieces we

563
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,120
all do we see what is going on what a

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00:26:02,230 --> 00:25:58,559
crazy day

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00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,240
for ufos and uaps wow just just crazy

566
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three big breaking stories today it was

567
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like the before the during and

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and the after and then we have

569
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everything that lou

570
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had just said to the washington examiner

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right now that

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00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:16,000
that i'll get into that more tomorrow

573
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:17,440
night um

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00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:26,070
everybody is making predictions

575
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:29,679
that's right they're all guessing

576
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:32,720
what's really going to happen

577
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:35,120
well i don't know but there are people

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listening to me right now

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and they know who they are they know

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that i know that they know

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right and in the end well somebody

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better be right

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and when that happens i'll know who to

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trust

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and so will you because i'll tell you

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i will what's it i mean this all

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confirmed this

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i'll know exactly where to go

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and i'm telling you right now i'm gonna

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sing like a bird

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there can only be one winner in this

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high-stakes poker game

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okay and i'm playing with a table of

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individuals

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that are feeding information right

596
00:27:24,420 --> 00:27:21,360
right there's gonna be one winner

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there's gonna be a table full of losers

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[Laughter]

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yep squinty eyes man squinty eyes

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it's gonna be very interesting over the

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next eight days oh i just said it

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next eight days trust me i know

603
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:43,120
ah this time around i know now wouldn't

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it be interesting if

605
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,399
everybody was wrong yeah and it's a

606
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different scenario that plays out what

607
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do we do with that

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seriously these are great days man these

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are great days i

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am your host jimmy church i got to do

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this again i i've been looking at this

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all day

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john ferris john ferris go visit his

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website i posted the links up in social

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media it's over on

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facebook it's up in twitter but that

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guy is amazing so humble

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so humble look at that that's incredible

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john ferris i'm your host jimmy church

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this is fade to block

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tonight trey hudson is here talking

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about the meadow project his book

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is out the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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you can head straight over there when we

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come back off of the break

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and i get john in something interesting

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happened today between

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john and i during sound check he's

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expecting to talk about the metal

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project

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guitar talk we'll do all of that after

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the break

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to black on the game changer network and

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmychurchradio.com

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what's up chris what up this is jimmy

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[Music]

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radio

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all right welcome back fade to black i

743
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:01,840
am your host jimmy church

744
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:04,880
tonight trey hudson is here

745
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:07,600
tomorrow night three three three three

746
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:08,399
three

747
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:12,000
first time guest this week incredible i

748
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,040
love it

749
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:15,119
tomorrow night is fader night open lines

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all night long

751
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:20,079
and yes i think we've got a

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00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:21,839
a very special guest that's going to

753
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,159
come in tomorrow night just for

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00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,879
20 minutes uh that's all we could get

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arranged and you'll find out why

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00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,520
tomorrow night

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uh so stand by for that i'll make the

758
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:32,960
announcement tomorrow

759
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,480
kids it's going to be

760
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:38,480
very interesting but tonight it's trey

761
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:41,119
hudson met trey last week got to hang

762
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:42,320
out with him for five

763
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,679
six seven days in a row and

764
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:47,040
he's here tonight with the honors of

765
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,800
being our third first time guest this

766
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:50,960
week and we're covering the meadow

767
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:53,200
which has been compared to skinwalker

768
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:54,240
ranch itself with

769
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,520
its own reports of ufos encrypteds and

770
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,320
missing time and portals and crop circle

771
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:03,119
formations and men in black or

772
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,680
everything is going on at the meadow and

773
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,200
i i don't know how we're gonna have the

774
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,040
time to get it all in tonight but he

775
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:11,440
is the director of oxford paranormal

776
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,640
society

777
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,320
and it's anomalous studies and

778
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:16,079
observation group otherwise known

779
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:20,240
as the asog he's an eagle scout and a

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00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:20,800
former

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00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,359
army intelligence officer he has a

782
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:25,839
psychology degree from the university of

783
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:26,320
west

784
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:29,040
georgia right there warning flags trey

785
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:30,000
the warning flags

786
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:34,000
are up right there and uh he studied

787
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:35,839
under the likes of dr bill roll and

788
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,839
other luminaries he has a 30 plus year

789
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,680
career as a us government security

790
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:41,760
specialist specializing in security of

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sensitive

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00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,960
assets anti-terrorism security of wmd

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00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,800
emergency management and other

794
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:51,119
specialties he also served a tour in

795
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:52,240
afghanistan

796
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:55,599
in this capacity he's also the author of

797
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:58,079
the meadow project exploration into the

798
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:58,800
south's

799
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:01,760
skinwalker ranch the links for the book

800
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:02,400
are over

801
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:05,119
at jimmychurchradio.com and now i would

802
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,560
like to welcome the fade to black trey

803
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:08,160
hudson trey good evening man how you

804
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:09,200
doing

805
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,960
a whole lot more interesting than i am

806
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,800
you know wait a minute you know

807
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:16,320
psychology degree

808
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,599
intelligence officer security clearances

809
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,760
you're you're dude you're the man you're

810
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:23,760
uh

811
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,280
you're exactly what i'm afraid of so

812
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,119
yeah there you go there you go okay

813
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:31,599
before we get started tonight right

814
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,400
you get the first time guest disclaimer

815
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:36,000
so let's get that out of the way which

816
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,800
is this

817
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,880
it's just you and i sitting on my couch

818
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:40,240
having a conversation

819
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,079
as friends and where that conversation

820
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,400
starts it starts where it ends it ends

821
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,079
but we're going to end his friends there

822
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:48,160
you go are you ready

823
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:50,800
groovy me throwing it at uh an

824
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,160
intelligent security officer man

825
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:56,320
i'm straight the stress level and you

826
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,839
know so but this is

827
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:59,440
you know i told everybody before the

828
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:01,119
break

829
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:02,720
something very interesting happened

830
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:04,160
we're going to spend just a little bit

831
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:05,920
of time on this but

832
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:09,040
uh so uh we jump on to do a sound check

833
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:09,920
earlier

834
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:12,079
and you see the bunker and you're like

835
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,920
whoa hold on church

836
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:16,000
check this out and you turn around and

837
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:17,920
you whip out a strat

838
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:20,800
you about another strat and and you're a

839
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,680
player

840
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:23,920
and my response to you trey was i knew

841
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:24,800
you was cool

842
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:27,599
i knew it i knew it but that that was

843
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,720
all right man that

844
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,720
that was uh that that was a nice

845
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,960
surprise for me

846
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,880
well albeit a very poor player but at

847
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,000
least i give it a go

848
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:39,040
man you got the right you got and then

849
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,680
trey goes

850
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,000
hey man have you seen the new alex lyson

851
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:43,760
les paul i'm like oh

852
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,880
trey knows what he's talking about uh

853
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,640
very cool very cool let's see who gets

854
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:50,720
the alex leifs and les paul first if

855
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,079
it's going to be

856
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:54,160
you or myself but yeah that's a very

857
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,440
sweet looking guitar

858
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,320
i'm i'm with you on that um now i'm

859
00:38:03,190 --> 00:37:59,920
looking

860
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:03,200
uh the audience can't see you but i can

861
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:06,400
and i'm looking uh you look like you're

862
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:10,640
in uh a cabin

863
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,520
am i guessing right uh yeah actually i

864
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:15,200
have a small guest cottage on my

865
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:16,240
property

866
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,920
which was a prefab building that i

867
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:19,440
finished the interior of and it's kind

868
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:20,160
of uh

869
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,839
you know who wants a man cave when you

870
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,200
can have a man cabin

871
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:26,400
yeah man that looks sweet man it just

872
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:28,400
looks sweet and you've got a second

873
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:31,119
floor or are you in the basement it has

874
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:32,160
a second floor

875
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:35,520
right yeah that's uh yeah

876
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:41,670
it's just too cool and it's got strats

877
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:42,640
in there

878
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:47,440
um now how close are you to the property

879
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:50,320
uh the property i own i'm sitting on it

880
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,599
right now no i'm kidding i know what

881
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:52,960
you're referring to

882
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:56,560
uh i am i i live in the americas

883
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:57,520
southland

884
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,000
right and the meadow is also in

885
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:01,920
america's southland

886
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:05,280
so that's about all i'm going to go into

887
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,839
is

888
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,760
it's you know it's within driving

889
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,520
distance for me i don't have to you know

890
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,079
jump in my private you know secret asoc

891
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,000
learjet and fly over there or anything

892
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,480
it's within driving distance but uh you

893
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:17,760
know it's

894
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,040
it's in the general american

895
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:24,160
southern region right right right and

896
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:24,480
well

897
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:25,839
you know what i said earlier to

898
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:28,079
everybody it's west of the rockies south

899
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,920
of lake michigan yeah

900
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:34,320
let's just say let's just uh stay right

901
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,280
there

902
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:37,440
and the reason for this and i know that

903
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:38,640
everybody wants to know we're going to

904
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:40,800
talk about what's going on

905
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:43,599
up at the meadow all night tonight um

906
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:44,320
but

907
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,119
the reason to keep this on the down low

908
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:49,040
right now is that you've got ongoing

909
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,480
research there

910
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:52,960
and you don't need a couple of hundred

911
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:53,599
people

912
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:56,000
interfering with what's going on because

913
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:57,119
they want to go and see

914
00:40:01,510 --> 00:40:00,079
orbs yeah that's right and i'm just

915
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,520
going to throw this out there as an

916
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:03,359
apology like i did at the conference

917
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:04,480
last week

918
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:05,920
is you know i'm not doing this to be

919
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:08,160
obtuse or mean or cruel or

920
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:11,440
you know uh you know taunt people with

921
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:12,240
the

922
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:20,240
uh we're doing serious research and uh

923
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,000
in the process of doing this research we

924
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,560
need this area to be as inviolate and as

925
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,480
pristine as possible

926
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:28,400
and unfortunately i had a very bad

927
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,400
experience out in the iwari national

928
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,000
forest in an area that had been

929
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,800
compromised by one of the bigfoot shows

930
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,960
and we moved we came in friday night it

931
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:39,119
was you know somewhat deserted set up

932
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,000
our camp

933
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,160
and literally the next day when we woke

934
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,880
up there were 50 tents around us

935
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,960
so we attempted to do research at a

936
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:48,960
yates place there in the iwari national

937
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:49,760
forest

938
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,119
and every time we would hear a twig snap

939
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:56,079
a grunt a groan any kind of sound any

940
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,359
kind of movement we didn't know if it

941
00:41:02,470 --> 00:40:59,280
was a sasquatch

942
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,480
a drunken hillbilly you know somebody

943
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,480
from the campsite next door and it just

944
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:06,400
it just basically made all research

945
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:07,599
superfluous

946
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:10,160
so keeping that in mind i made a very

947
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:11,680
hard decision

948
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,200
to kind of obscure the location of the

949
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,119
meadow in the book i changed names and

950
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:19,520
locations it kind of mixed things around

951
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:22,640
and i've made a decision not to discuss

952
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,400
exactly where it's at or even where it

953
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,079
is generally now that's upset some

954
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,599
people you know so be it it's

955
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:29,599
you know it's big boy rules you know

956
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,079
that's that's the game we play in

957
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:34,000
and uh i just you know hope your

958
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,520
listeners understand that that was a

959
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,599
hard decision and not one made lightly

960
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:40,240
right right right so trey comes up to me

961
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,599
and hands me this

962
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,680
the top secret red folder at the

963
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:45,200
conference he said you know for your

964
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:46,400
eyes only and

965
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,319
i said okay cool open it up and i'm look

966
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,079
i got i got the latitude we got

967
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,000
i'm looking at the numbers looking at

968
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:54,079
the satellite photography i now

969
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,359
know where it is and

970
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,599
uh and then trey turned around to say hi

971
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,920
to somebody and i snapped two pictures

972
00:42:05,950 --> 00:42:03,920
so i'm just letting you know trey

973
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:05,960
trey i've i've got it i've i've

974
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,710
actually i made some phone calls and

975
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,319
i've got the pictures you snap pulled up

976
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:13,680
on my computer right now

977
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:16,800
i bet you do now you hear the knocking i

978
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:17,119
do

979
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:20,880
that

980
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:23,920
um and here's here's the deal let's

981
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,040
let's back up a little bit um if we can

982
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:30,000
i want to talk about your your roles in

983
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:30,960
security

984
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,760
how all of that applies to your research

985
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:35,760
today because it does

986
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,079
um but let's back up before that were

987
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:40,319
you interested in the paranormal before

988
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,480
you got in the service yeah

989
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,720
yeah great great question great question

990
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,640
i was a child of the 70s

991
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,800
and there was a wonderful tv show on

992
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:52,640
back in the 70 called in search of with

993
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:54,079
leonard nimoy

994
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,960
uh you might remember it right and they

995
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,000
would go over all

996
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,480
kinds of strange topics you know missing

997
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:02,880
persons spontaneous human combustion

998
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:05,520
sasquatch ufos and for a you know a

999
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:07,040
young kid in the 70s

1000
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,960
you know that's like gold you know that

1001
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:10,240
that's like uh

1002
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:11,440
you know that's like nectar and i was

1003
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,560
like some sort of weird little

1004
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:14,640
maladaptive sponge soaking all this

1005
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,040
stuff

1006
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,119
up in my my little you know partially

1007
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,280
formed brain right

1008
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,079
and uh so it came naturally my father

1009
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:23,680
also traveled a lot he was a traveling

1010
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:24,480
contractor

1011
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:27,040
and he heard a radio interview late one

1012
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,400
night as he was moving from

1013
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,800
one place to another and it was a

1014
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,240
wonderful brad steiger

1015
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,640
and he was talking about his book uh the

1016
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,240
gods of aquarius

1017
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:38,079
so my dad bought the uh the book the

1018
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:39,599
gods of aquarius which i've

1019
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:42,319
since obtained an autographed copy and

1020
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,960
uh

1021
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,640
so i read that book and i just became

1022
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,280
very intrigued by this stuff

1023
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:49,839
and you know as i you know got older i

1024
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:51,280
continued to read about it and i was

1025
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,400
interested in it i

1026
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:54,400
attended a university as you said

1027
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:55,599
earlier at the university of west

1028
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,480
georgia

1029
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:58,400
which has a humanistic and

1030
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,920
trans-personal

1031
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:01,839
uh focus in their psychology program

1032
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,319
which is uh very experiential we had

1033
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:06,480
bill rohl the famous parapsychologist

1034
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:06,960
was on

1035
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,160
uh faculty there so you know it's just a

1036
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:12,319
natural extension of what i'm doing now

1037
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:13,839
that goes you know all the way back to

1038
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:16,560
my formative years uh back in the 70s

1039
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:20,000
didn't bill push for a parasite

1040
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,000
a parasite degree right wasn't he

1041
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,160
didn't he try to get that to go through

1042
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:28,800
but wasn't quite successful

1043
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:31,280
yeah as far as the the parapsychology

1044
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,000
program

1045
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:34,319
uh when i was there was not really

1046
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,000
developed they are offering

1047
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:38,240
it now i could be completely wrong i

1048
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,760
haven't been back there in a while

1049
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,680
i think they offer a few parapsychology

1050
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,440
departments but as far as i know

1051
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,359
it's still a general psychology degree

1052
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,040
and not an actual parapsychology degree

1053
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,200
right right and he pushed for that for a

1054
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,040
long time i don't i don't think that's

1055
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:53,119
offered anywhere in the country now

1056
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:56,000
there were a couple of universities that

1057
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,720
stepped up

1058
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,800
and did that but they no longer offer

1059
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,760
that degree

1060
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,520
but you were there with bill roll and

1061
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:02,880
that's uh

1062
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,880
somebody with an open mind

1063
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,880
and if you've got an open mind you're

1064
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,480
able to ask questions

1065
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:13,280
and explore things that aren't supposed

1066
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:13,839
to be

1067
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:16,640
happening in this world right right not

1068
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,839
only are they not supposed to be

1069
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,119
explored sometimes you're not even

1070
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:21,680
supposed to ask the questions

1071
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:25,760
and so now uh when you take all of that

1072
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,359
and you go into the military which

1073
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,079
is now i'm a military brat so i totally

1074
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,160
understand

1075
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:37,440
the rigidity right the rules

1076
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:41,280
the orders and you have to go through

1077
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,160
that and that

1078
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,800
isn't a paranormal world necessarily is

1079
00:45:48,670 --> 00:45:46,079
it and and

1080
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,680
how did you go from you know the

1081
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:50,720
parapsychology aspect of

1082
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:53,760
of the world into the rigidity

1083
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:56,960
of the military

1084
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:59,119
well i uh i was branched military

1085
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,000
intelligence

1086
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,200
and if you recall back at that time uh

1087
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,280
the us army inscom intelligence and

1088
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:07,920
security man uh security command was uh

1089
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:10,000
involved in some very interesting things

1090
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:11,440
under the uh

1091
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:14,560
the uh leadership of bert stubblebine

1092
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,520
and i don't know if you've seen the

1093
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:17,680
movie the men who stare at goats

1094
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,880
you've probably heard of project

1095
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,200
stargate or grillflame

1096
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,040
stanford research institute all of this

1097
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,880
stuff was done under the auspice of

1098
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,560
department of defense

1099
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,880
so i was kind of hoping i would be able

1100
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,720
to vector into that part of

1101
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,560
army intelligence and unfortunately i

1102
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,480
didn't i ended up doing

1103
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,240
uh ended up in a counterintelligence

1104
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,720
unit and uh so i was

1105
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,079
thinking that was going to be a pretty

1106
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,000
good fit but i was never able

1107
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,560
to get quite into that like i had hoped

1108
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:46,160
now since then i have been trained in

1109
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,040
remote viewing

1110
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,119
but it was purely civilian had nothing

1111
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:51,040
to do with department of defense

1112
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:54,960
did you ever feel like when you're in uh

1113
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:57,200
that type of security for the military

1114
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:58,480
where you're dealing with

1115
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:01,760
you know seriously sensitive assets and

1116
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:05,359
and of course wmds and we're talking

1117
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:06,319
about

1118
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:08,480
another world of security you're not

1119
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,760
arresting drunken sailors at a local bar

1120
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:14,400
it's a it's a whole other level of uh

1121
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:15,440
security

1122
00:47:22,829 --> 00:47:18,480
did you ever feel double 07-ish

1123
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,839
right did you ever feel uh secret

1124
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:24,079
agent-ish

1125
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:26,319
no not really i you know my job

1126
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,280
primarily is

1127
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,200
i spent a few years in the military and

1128
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,760
was injured i'm a disabled veteran now

1129
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,520
and i moved into federal service working

1130
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,359
for department of defense and

1131
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:37,359
uh in the security and intelligence

1132
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:38,400
world there's two

1133
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:41,359
two tracks there's the int track and the

1134
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:42,079
sec

1135
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,839
some sort of kinky porn movie with jr

1136
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:49,440
tolkien's and trees getting it on with

1137
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,720
each other insects

1138
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,880
but no actually it are the intelligence

1139
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,960
disciplines communications intelligence

1140
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,400
electronic intelligence human

1141
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:58,400
intelligence and then the sec are the

1142
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,920
security disciplines

1143
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,440
which are kind of the opposite side of

1144
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,760
the same point operation security

1145
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,680
communication security information

1146
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:06,880
security

1147
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:09,119
uh and these kind of things so i've been

1148
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:11,119
primarily involved in the security side

1149
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,920
of things

1150
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:13,599
trying to keep you know naughty people

1151
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,000
from doing naughty things to our assets

1152
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:18,880
you know but you still look like a fed

1153
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:25,030
i was look uh i remember uh

1154
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,880
uh at the conference and i'm watching

1155
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:28,079
you approach me

1156
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,440
and you carry yourself uh

1157
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,520
really well you well first off you're

1158
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,359
how tall are you

1159
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:37,920
six foot four yeah you're six foot four

1160
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,280
and you look like a fed

1161
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,839
you you know you play the role and i was

1162
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,440
looking at some of your images

1163
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:45,839
uh you know in afghanistan and things

1164
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,800
and uh

1165
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,280
you were you were uh doing your job

1166
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:51,200
you're you're playing the game

1167
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:54,160
and the the other part is after all of

1168
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,599
this is done

1169
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:57,839
and you come out of the military and you

1170
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:58,720
finish your

1171
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:02,079
your your uh department of defense work

1172
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:05,440
how do you apply that to bigfoot

1173
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,079
right how do you apply right how do you

1174
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:10,800
and i know it it sounds strange but it's

1175
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:14,160
almost a perfect fit i would think

1176
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,440
well you know it it makes sense uh

1177
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,800
one thing that i learned you know

1178
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:20,319
especially being trained as an intel

1179
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:20,880
officer

1180
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,760
is to be analytic you know you take your

1181
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,160
information you take your data

1182
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:28,000
you have a piece of data then you try to

1183
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,599
corroborate it with another piece of

1184
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:31,760
data hopefully from another source

1185
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,000
are using a different discipline so you

1186
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,160
start taking all this data together

1187
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:38,880
you process it you put it into some sort

1188
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:39,280
of

1189
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,800
manageable product and then you

1190
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,960
disseminate the data and it's a process

1191
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,400
it never ends it's a

1192
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:46,079
cyclic type of deal so you're

1193
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:48,000
continuously pulling data in

1194
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:49,760
changing your assessments putting

1195
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:52,319
information out bringing information in

1196
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,680
and so i've taken that kind of

1197
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,160
philosophy and i've also taken

1198
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:58,559
uh some of my experience in report

1199
00:50:02,549 --> 00:49:59,520
writing

1200
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,559
investigating things like that and uh

1201
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,960
applied it to uh to what we do out there

1202
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,920
our uh

1203
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,160
our process i'm not gonna say it's

1204
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:10,000
militaristic the way we go about things

1205
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,200
but we do have a

1206
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:13,520
structure we have a command and control

1207
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,240
structure we

1208
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,480
we know who's in charge everybody knows

1209
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:18,160
what their job is when they're out there

1210
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,680
they know how to communicate with one

1211
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,200
another and not that we're trying to

1212
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:22,720
emulate the military but yeah quite

1213
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,640
frankly it's a system that works

1214
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:26,400
and more importantly it's a system that

1215
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,520
works during crisis and stress

1216
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,680
so uh it's all dovetails very nicely you

1217
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:33,119
know it's a very good question now

1218
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:34,319
you're spot on

1219
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:38,400
now uh how does your

1220
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:42,880
day start yeah um i want to talk about

1221
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:44,960
the meadows specifically uh before we

1222
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:46,000
get to the break

1223
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:47,920
do you just get up in the morning check

1224
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:50,559
your email and then hop in the car

1225
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:54,240
and then you're over there for 10 12 16

1226
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:55,040
hours

1227
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:58,720
because it i i i imagine

1228
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:01,520
that the research is like 24 hours it

1229
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,400
has to go

1230
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,160
on all day because you have stuff that's

1231
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,319
happening at night and then you have

1232
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:08,079
the stuff that you have to do during the

1233
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:09,920
day and there's probably things going on

1234
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,319
during the day as well

1235
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:15,119
yeah what we do is uh we will determine

1236
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,160
a weekend

1237
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:19,200
or you know two days or three days

1238
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:22,160
and we will show up at an area adjacent

1239
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:23,760
to the site where we will set up a base

1240
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:26,400
camp a base of operations usually

1241
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,920
some of us will get there early like on

1242
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,000
a friday morning set things up

1243
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:32,319
set up our radios our radio antennas so

1244
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,599
we can communicate

1245
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:36,079
and as a team starts filtering in

1246
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:37,599
everybody gets set up

1247
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,040
and we usually have a briefing about

1248
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,280
six o'clock in the evening on what the

1249
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,880
evening's activities will be

1250
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,800
and the reason we do most of our

1251
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:48,960
investigating in the evening

1252
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:51,119
is because we've had orbs you know

1253
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:52,720
luminous and orbs which are easier to

1254
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:53,760
see at night

1255
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:56,079
and also when the ambient temperature

1256
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:57,200
drops

1257
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,440
it makes it a lot easier for our flea or

1258
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,200
thermal equipment to operate so we have

1259
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:03,119
a plan of attack a plan of action at

1260
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:06,000
night we'll go out

1261
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:07,680
do our investigations after everybody

1262
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:09,839
being briefed and then when we come back

1263
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,079
just as important as the pre-brief

1264
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:14,160
is the after action review where we

1265
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,359
actually will

1266
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,200
all discuss what we saw we will

1267
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,680
videotape it we will capture this data

1268
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,359
while it's fresh on our mind

1269
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:23,119
and like i talked about the process

1270
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:24,800
where you're pulling data in and making

1271
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,760
decisions

1272
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,440
based on what happens during each

1273
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,200
investigation helps drive

1274
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,440
any subsequent investigations so that

1275
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:33,839
basically goes on for two or three days

1276
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:35,599
until you know the rest of us have to go

1277
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:38,960
back to our real life you know work bleh

1278
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:41,040
and uh so that's basically how one of

1279
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:42,720
our expeditions goes

1280
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:44,839
now how did you find out about the

1281
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:47,200
meadow

1282
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,839
uh one thing that i found i'm primarily

1283
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,599
a paranormal investigator that's that's

1284
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,200
what i started with

1285
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,200
is follow the folklore you know these

1286
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,599
places usually don't exist in a vacuum

1287
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,359
you know they don't exist in a cultural

1288
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:01,599
vacuum a social vacuum or a historical

1289
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:02,319
vacuum

1290
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,079
you can track these things back

1291
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,000
and find out you know kind of where the

1292
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,920
weird places are and going back and

1293
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:11,280
using

1294
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,319
an intelligence geek uh analogy

1295
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,640
is i'm old school i was a cold warrior

1296
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:18,319
you know back when we didn't have

1297
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:20,079
cell phones and laptops and stuff like

1298
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:21,760
that we had pieces of plastic called

1299
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,559
acetate

1300
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,240
big plastic sheets we would put over a

1301
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,880
map and we would mark enemy positions

1302
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:28,319
and avenues of approach and

1303
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:29,920
our positions and all that kind of stuff

1304
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,319
so imagine a geographical location

1305
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:34,720
it could be anywhere you go and you

1306
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:35,520
start digging

1307
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:38,880
up records digging up data and over one

1308
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,680
acetate we'll call acetate sheet a

1309
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,920
you put a brown dot for everywhere

1310
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,839
there's been a bigfoot encrypted site

1311
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:47,119
so you've got a whole bunch of dots on

1312
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:48,880
this piece of acetate take that off put

1313
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:49,359
it away

1314
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:52,880
put up acetate sheet b on that sheet you

1315
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:54,880
will put a blue dot for ufo

1316
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,599
sightings or uap sightings and then take

1317
00:54:03,190 --> 00:53:59,599
that away put up acetate seat

1318
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:03,200
sheet c and put yellow dots

1319
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:05,119
for ghost or paranormal happenings and

1320
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:06,559
when you're done with that put all

1321
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,559
three sheets on top of one another on

1322
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:10,640
top of your map and you'll start to see

1323
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:11,920
a correlation

1324
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,520
there are certain spots where you see

1325
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:15,200
concentrations of all three

1326
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:16,720
phenomenologies

1327
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:20,000
that's where you look and

1328
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:22,240
that is exactly how we discovered this

1329
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:24,079
area is we started picking up on

1330
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:25,760
folklore

1331
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,599
of a haunted road and i started looking

1332
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:31,440
into this so-called haunted road as one

1333
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,559
of these places where you know the

1334
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:34,319
locals say you know don't don't be seen

1335
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:34,880
down there

1336
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:38,240
not the paints will get you you know

1337
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,240
and that's like waving a red flag in

1338
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:42,000
front of me you know don't go there well

1339
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:43,440
yeah that's exactly where i'm going

1340
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:44,079
because i'm

1341
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:47,280
you know that guy and when i started dig

1342
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,880
peeling back the onion you know peeling

1343
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:50,720
back the various layers of this area

1344
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,880
this region i started finding just

1345
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,680
you know many many instances of

1346
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:57,359
weirdness and i'm not just talking about

1347
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:58,799
paranormal i'm talking about you know

1348
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,680
ufos

1349
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:02,240
bigfoot uh you know everything in

1350
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:03,200
between

1351
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,079
so that allowed us to focus our efforts

1352
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:08,400
on a particular area

1353
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,520
and we found a meadow

1354
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,359
near an area we were investigating and

1355
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:15,280
we focused on that meadow primarily

1356
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:17,040
because of uh

1357
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:18,480
accessibility it was about a quarter

1358
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:21,760
mile from a pretty nice base campsite

1359
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:24,160
it was wide open that we could see what

1360
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:25,040
was going on

1361
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:26,559
in there at night with night vision and

1362
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:28,960
thermal it was

1363
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:31,119
clear if anything moved across the

1364
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,440
meadow it would leave a track or marks

1365
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:35,280
and also it had a ridge adjacent to it

1366
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,799
that we could put somebody up on top of

1367
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,960
that ridge that could look down into it

1368
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:41,200
so it was uh you know just kind of dumb

1369
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,319
luck that we

1370
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,240
picked this place to focus some of our

1371
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:46,400
investigative uh efforts at

1372
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,960
and it yielded tremendous dividends now

1373
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:50,880
uh i did see

1374
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:54,079
one of your you know albeit privately

1375
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,720
but

1376
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:57,119
one of your maps uh i'm not going to

1377
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,799
mention any names or anything i'm not

1378
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:00,720
going to do that to your trade but

1379
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:04,720
uh of different events

1380
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:08,319
around and it it was crazy to me to see

1381
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:11,920
that much activity of that type

1382
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:15,119
right there i mean it's it's it's not

1383
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:17,040
coincidence anymore i mean you can take

1384
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:19,359
that part off of it

1385
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:21,200
yeah i i don't think it's coincidence

1386
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:23,359
and i think if you start looking at

1387
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,359
you know known areas of high strangeness

1388
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:26,720
you know be they sedona

1389
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,680
or mesa verde or skinwalker ranch

1390
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:31,520
wherever

1391
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,400
and you start taking that that same

1392
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:36,240
focus on those phenomenologies

1393
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,520
and you start looking elsewhere i think

1394
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:39,200
these spots are located all over the

1395
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,240
world

1396
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:42,559
and who knows you know your listeners

1397
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:44,160
might have one in their backyard or in

1398
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:45,040
their neighborhood

1399
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:46,400
and all they have to do is go out there

1400
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:47,680
and start putting the puzzle pieces

1401
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:48,880
together themselves

1402
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,079
yeah surely and i um uh i

1403
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:54,079
asked james keenan he was on with this

1404
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:55,119
on monday

1405
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:57,440
but um this question but i asked

1406
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:59,440
everybody at uh the conference too

1407
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:00,880
during the panel

1408
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,359
um but i want to ask you this question

1409
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:05,119
again for the audience and i'm looking

1410
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:06,559
at the clock here we got about three

1411
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:08,079
minutes

1412
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:12,720
uh the the over overarching

1413
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:15,760
vibe that has been presented

1414
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:19,200
about skinwalker has been negative and

1415
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:19,760
dark

1416
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:21,520
there's no question about it i mean it's

1417
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:23,440
just negative and dark and

1418
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,720
scary is it the same

1419
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,640
vibe that you get what do you get from

1420
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:30,559
the meadow

1421
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:33,359
uh most of the time it's very peaceful

1422
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:33,680
uh

1423
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:36,559
it's very calm very pristine very serene

1424
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:37,520
very blue colic

1425
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,799
just a beautiful mountain meadow

1426
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:43,040
uh every once in a while we'll have

1427
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:44,480
something

1428
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:46,799
you know will happen or we'll detect

1429
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:47,760
something you know

1430
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:49,520
with our equipment and you get a feeling

1431
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:51,839
of unease you know just

1432
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:53,920
you know to use a common term you get

1433
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:55,040
the willies

1434
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:56,799
uh but most of the time it's a very

1435
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:58,960
peaceful calm place

1436
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,880
but that doesn't mean weird things don't

1437
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,880
happen there and unnerving things don't

1438
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:04,160
happen there but it doesn't give off a

1439
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:04,960
negative

1440
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:08,000
uh or oppressive vibe at all and uh what

1441
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:10,240
about that haunted road how close was

1442
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:11,760
the haunted road

1443
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:14,960
to the meadow it was actually about

1444
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,079
20 miles oh it's 20 miles away

1445
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,720
yeah the road actually became a kind of

1446
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:22,400
a non-player

1447
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,520
what really focuses on the meadow uh or

1448
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:27,680
that particular spot of this this uh

1449
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:30,079
nature preserve was an amazing ufo

1450
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:31,200
experience one of my

1451
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,640
team members had while we were out

1452
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:34,079
investigating the haunted road and it

1453
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,880
was just so

1454
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,799
amazing it's like yeah screw that

1455
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:38,160
haunted road business you know this is

1456
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:39,359
where the action's at

1457
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,799
and we're going to talk about that when

1458
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:42,400
we come back there's

1459
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:45,359
uh one other thing though about the

1460
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:46,640
meadow

1461
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:51,359
to me um is that there is a tree lines

1462
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:53,680
right you don't know what's going on in

1463
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:55,280
those trees you don't know what's

1464
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:57,200
watching you

1465
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,720
you don't does that ever does that ever

1466
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:03,040
come into play for you

1467
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,799
well you just you have to be confident

1468
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,079
in your abilities

1469
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:07,920
confident in the abilities of your team

1470
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:09,359
and confident in the knowledge that

1471
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:10,400
they'll look out for

1472
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:13,040
you know we've got each other's back do

1473
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:15,280
you ever feel that you're being watched

1474
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,400
you know bigfoot in the tree line

1475
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,640
uh yeah sometimes i get a feeling that

1476
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,319
something is

1477
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:24,559
something's watching us or or is aware

1478
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,599
of our presence yeah

1479
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,760
yeah in a while no kidding let's take

1480
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:29,200
our break right here this is fade to

1481
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:29,839
block

1482
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,280
i am your host jimmy church i guess

1483
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:33,359
tonight trey hudson and we're talking

1484
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:34,319
about the meadow

1485
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:37,440
and his book the metal project

1486
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:40,319
explorations into the south's skinwalker

1487
00:59:42,910 --> 00:59:40,960
ranch

1488
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,920
the link is available right there

1489
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,640
jimmychurchradio.com

1490
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:46,400
trey hudson is the guest on the game

1491
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:48,960
changer network and kgra the planet at

1492
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:50,400
our middle chimney church we'll be right

1493
01:00:00,280 --> 00:59:51,119
back

1494
01:00:01,350 --> 01:00:00,290
after this short break stay with us

1495
01:00:02,070 --> 01:00:01,360
[Music]

1496
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:02,080
[Applause]

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01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:10,079
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01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:12,240
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01:05:20,549 --> 01:05:18,789
welcome back fade to black i'm your

1611
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:20,559
swimming church tonight trey hudson is

1612
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:21,280
here our

1613
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:24,960
third third third first time

1614
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:27,280
guest this week on the show love it when

1615
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:28,799
it happens

1616
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:31,280
talking about the meadow and his book

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01:05:34,270 --> 01:05:32,400
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and uh you can check that out and right

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before the break

1623
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,960
trey you mentioned uh you know you're

1624
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:44,640
down you're looking at the haunted roads

1625
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:45,039
you're

1626
01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:48,400
members

1627
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:51,520
uh had a ufo

1628
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:54,799
thing happen and then was this

1629
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,839
directly at the meadow

1630
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:59,440
it was about a quarter of a mile from

1631
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:01,280
the meadow oh that's close enough

1632
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:02,880
to a quarter yeah yeah i mean so you

1633
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:04,559
know for all intents and purposes yeah

1634
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,000
it was you know at the meadow

1635
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:07,920
so we're off you know at the the haunted

1636
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:09,599
road you know and we're thinking we're

1637
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:11,119
you know maybe this was you know bigfoot

1638
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:12,720
or something and

1639
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:14,240
yeah we were skunked you know nothing

1640
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:16,559
happened you know we had the long drive

1641
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:17,760
back we were able to

1642
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,839
radio back to base camp hitting a local

1643
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:21,440
repeater

1644
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:24,799
and uh our base camp operator uh bob who

1645
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:25,280
was at the

1646
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:27,839
the conference with us last week said

1647
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:28,400
yeah

1648
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,039
you're going to be really amazed at what

1649
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:33,440
happened to me while you all were gone

1650
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:35,520
so we get back and bob tells us this

1651
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:36,480
this amazing

1652
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:40,799
uh a uap

1653
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:44,799
sighting while he was a mining base camp

1654
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:47,359
uh he had been drinking a lot of copious

1655
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:49,920
amounts of coffee and beverages

1656
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:51,520
and you know like happens you know when

1657
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:52,880
guys are out in the woods they have to

1658
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:54,640
get rid of that uh

1659
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:57,200
you know that extra volume somehow so he

1660
01:07:01,670 --> 01:06:58,880
had stepped back behind the uh

1661
01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:01,680
the base camp to take care of that and

1662
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:03,039
it was a cold

1663
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:06,400
winter drizzly icky

1664
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,400
night you know in america's southland

1665
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:09,599
just you know one of those evenings

1666
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:10,960
where the cold just

1667
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:14,160
burrows its way into your very soul and

1668
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:15,760
as he was standing there taking care of

1669
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:16,799
business got done

1670
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:18,960
he was looking around looking at the

1671
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:20,240
evening

1672
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:22,960
and he saw a bolt of lightning come down

1673
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:24,720
now the odd thing was this lightning had

1674
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:25,599
no sound

1675
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:28,640
it was just a beam of light and he

1676
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:29,200
thought

1677
01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:30,480
you know oh my goodness you know there's

1678
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:32,480
a storm brewing you know i just saw

1679
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:33,839
lightning that was what was going

1680
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:35,920
through his mind

1681
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:38,079
and then right after this uh this this

1682
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:39,760
beam of light

1683
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:42,240
he noticed that the moon appeared you

1684
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:43,520
know a large

1685
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:46,960
round luminous orb and his thoughts

1686
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:48,880
quickly change gears to his uh

1687
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:51,119
extraordinary meteorological good luck

1688
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:52,960
you know the clouds are clearing the

1689
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:54,640
rain is going to leave

1690
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,160
you know we're not going to be drenched

1691
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:58,559
all weekend so he's sitting there

1692
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:00,480
congratulating himself about you know

1693
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:02,000
how lucky he was that the weather

1694
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:05,440
changed and then the moon starts to move

1695
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:08,960
from the right to the left horizontally

1696
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:10,480
now i don't know about your neck of the

1697
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:12,480
woods jimmy but in my neck of the woods

1698
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:14,559
the moon doesn't move sideways

1699
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:16,880
it's it's southern california everything

1700
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:17,679
happens

1701
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:20,960
here that's right but yeah

1702
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:24,000
right that that's that's a crazy

1703
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:27,440
town yeah it moved and it stopped

1704
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:28,880
you know it moved laterally and then it

1705
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:31,120
stopped and he said there was a small

1706
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:33,600
pinpoint of blackness right in the

1707
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:35,440
middle of this orb

1708
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:38,159
in this black dot started growing you

1709
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,759
know like the iris of a camera got

1710
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:41,759
larger and larger and larger until all

1711
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:43,040
he was left with

1712
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:45,440
was a ring of uh fire effect like you

1713
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:47,040
see with an eclipse

1714
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:50,159
and then it completely winked out so you

1715
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:50,960
know when he

1716
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:54,000
explained this sighting to us which

1717
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:55,440
uh i mentioned earlier when i was

1718
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:57,359
researching this general area

1719
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:58,960
right you know there were quite a few

1720
01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:00,960
ufos i didn't thought okay

1721
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:02,480
this area is somewhere that we need to

1722
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:04,640
continue to observe and i mentioned that

1723
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:06,719
the particular meadow or field that we

1724
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,679
were looking at

1725
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:09,600
you can also skywatch there you know has

1726
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:11,839
a it's a field you know you have a big

1727
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:12,960
sky there

1728
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:14,719
so it was the perfect place for us to

1729
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:17,040
continue our research and investigations

1730
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:20,400
now ultimately what what did uh

1731
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:23,040
i mean it's a great sighting uh what did

1732
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:24,960
he think that he saw

1733
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:29,199
did it feel e.t ish to him

1734
01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:32,960
uh about

1735
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:36,560
all that he could say is you know

1736
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:39,440
is just repeat what he saw now as far as

1737
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:41,279
putting any kind of

1738
01:09:47,910 --> 01:09:45,520
reason on it it was a uap an unexplained

1739
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:47,920
aerial phenomena

1740
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:52,239
like many others now you know did uh

1741
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,280
he did have missing time uh later on

1742
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:57,120
during later investigations

1743
01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:59,600
the same gentleman but you know all we

1744
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:00,800
had uh

1745
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:03,280
at that time was just a uh unique

1746
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:04,000
sighting

1747
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:05,520
of something we couldn't explain in the

1748
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:07,040
sky did the

1749
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:10,320
uh i guess let's just stay on the ufo

1750
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:13,040
side of this um how long have you guys

1751
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:15,280
been at the meadow

1752
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:17,280
oh we've been looking at it since uh

1753
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:18,880
january of 2016.

1754
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:21,679
yes so that's a good chunk of time five

1755
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:22,960
and a half years

1756
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:25,760
right yeah uh four and a half four and a

1757
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:27,920
half we're in 2021

1758
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:30,480
is it five and uh five five and a half

1759
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:31,040
years

1760
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:33,520
okay don't don't make me do math yeah

1761
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,679
i'm just wondering about that myself

1762
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:37,840
right now let's just say it's over four

1763
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:39,920
years and then we stay in the safe zone

1764
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:42,800
but that's a good good chunk of time you

1765
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:45,679
are able to accumulate a lot of data

1766
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:48,080
you approach this with a very pragmatic

1767
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:49,360
mindset

1768
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:52,000
um and i and i like that and so you're

1769
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:54,080
collecting the data

1770
01:11:00,790 --> 01:10:57,600
this ufo event um

1771
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:00,800
and then here we are in 2021 is the ufo

1772
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:04,640
activity constant

1773
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:06,880
no it's it's sporadic now the last time

1774
01:11:12,149 --> 01:11:08,800
we were out which was in february

1775
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:12,159
uh i did see two unexplained

1776
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:14,480
lights in the sky that i've you know

1777
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:16,080
reached out to mufon and some other

1778
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:17,920
folks and we can't really pin it down on

1779
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:20,480
exactly what it was

1780
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,520
but the ufos are sporadic but also it's

1781
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:25,199
one of those things that you

1782
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:27,520
you can't watch for everything or look

1783
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:29,199
for everything every single time you

1784
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:30,880
have to kind of focus on

1785
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,159
what your mission is you know if our

1786
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:34,800
mission you know this weekend is to look

1787
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:37,520
for anomalous heat signatures

1788
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:38,960
then you have to kind of focus on that

1789
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:40,800
you can't be watching the sky then maybe

1790
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:42,239
the next time

1791
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:46,080
our focus is on capturing orbs on film

1792
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:49,440
you know so we're focused on that so

1793
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:52,400
well you know and and and i guess my

1794
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:53,520
question would be

1795
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:56,640
over five and a half years has there

1796
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:57,040
been

1797
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:01,199
a consistent type of ufo sighting

1798
01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:03,760
uh the the most spectacular one was the

1799
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:04,480
one that

1800
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,600
happened in 2016 with the the giant orb

1801
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:09,360
of light

1802
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:12,239
the last one we had were strange

1803
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:13,840
flashing lights in the sky and i think

1804
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:15,120
you saw that video

1805
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:19,760
last week we have had

1806
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:22,320
lights in the forest you know now if you

1807
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:24,080
could call those orbs or ufos or

1808
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:25,920
whatever they were anomalous lights in

1809
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:27,360
the forest

1810
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:29,040
uh but you know it's not one of those

1811
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:30,480
places that you go out

1812
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:32,480
and you skywatch and you know you see a

1813
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:34,480
ufo you know every time you go out there

1814
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:35,120
that's just

1815
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:37,600
it's just so many different kind types

1816
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:38,560
of phenomena

1817
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:39,920
you never know what you're going to get

1818
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:42,159
when you go out there why do you

1819
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,080
think uh and we're going to talk about

1820
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:46,080
everything else too tonight

1821
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:49,120
but why do you think uh

1822
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:53,920
ufo activity is centered over these

1823
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:56,960
specific areas and i because i'm asking

1824
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:58,159
you

1825
01:13:01,669 --> 01:13:00,080
because i'm wondering the same thing

1826
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:01,679
myself in that

1827
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:03,679
you know i can go to joshua tree or i

1828
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:05,199
can go to mount adams you know i can go

1829
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:06,320
to shasta

1830
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:09,440
i go to these different locations um and

1831
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:13,040
and see things and then i go home

1832
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:15,440
i've got night vision right i've got a

1833
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:16,640
lot of it

1834
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:18,960
i don't see anything in my backyard

1835
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:21,760
right but i go to these locations

1836
01:13:26,750 --> 01:13:24,400
and sometimes i'll have 50 sightings in

1837
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:26,760
a night and some of them have been

1838
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:29,600
spectacular crazy things

1839
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:32,960
but i don't have them in my own backyard

1840
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:36,719
so i know that they are interested in

1841
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:37,360
these uh

1842
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:40,080
specific geographic locations what do

1843
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:42,080
you think is going on

1844
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:43,679
you know there could be a couple of

1845
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:45,440
reasons one could be that there's

1846
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:46,080
something

1847
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:47,840
special about those geographical

1848
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,840
location that makes you more susceptible

1849
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:51,360
to seeing them

1850
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:54,320
you know it could be something you know

1851
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:56,239
geomagnetic that

1852
01:14:00,149 --> 01:13:58,560
you know makes for such changes

1853
01:14:00,709 --> 01:14:00,159
something in your physiology that makes

1854
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:00,719
you more

1855
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:03,040
uh perceptive you know that's a guess

1856
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:04,400
i'm just taking a stab there

1857
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:07,440
or it could be like an airport if you go

1858
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:08,560
to an airport

1859
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:10,880
you're going to see a lot more airplanes

1860
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:12,880
than if you go to a rural area

1861
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:14,800
and sit on a hilltop somewhere because

1862
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:16,320
you have more airplanes

1863
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:18,640
at an airport so there could be

1864
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,360
something about these sites

1865
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,600
that have some sort of significance that

1866
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:25,520
maybe we can't even comprehend to these

1867
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:26,560
craft

1868
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:28,320
and there's a reason that they are

1869
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:31,040
visible or detectable at these specific

1870
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:32,400
locations

1871
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:36,560
the uh uh the presence of a group of

1872
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:38,239
people

1873
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:40,239
at these locations right you have 25 30

1874
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:42,320
40 50 100 people

1875
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:44,560
that are all there looking to see

1876
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:45,440
something

1877
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:49,280
consciousness that is connecting to as

1878
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:51,120
well

1879
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:52,560
yeah i mean that that's possible you

1880
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:54,880
know you are familiar with a

1881
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:58,159
stephen greer ce5 protocol that's right

1882
01:15:01,430 --> 01:15:00,000
where you where you stand on that is you

1883
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:01,440
know is really

1884
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:03,760
irrelevant but you know there does seem

1885
01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:05,440
to be something

1886
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:08,640
uh about people together

1887
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:12,400
with a common focus and a common uh

1888
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:15,440
projection of intent that can cause

1889
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:16,800
these things to manifest

1890
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:18,719
you know and it maybe it's not just you

1891
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:22,000
know ufos or uaps maybe if you've got

1892
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:24,719
you know a bunch of people together that

1893
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:26,560
are paranormal investigators and

1894
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:28,239
really want to see a ghost you know

1895
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:31,120
they'll manifest a ghost you know maybe

1896
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:32,000
uh

1897
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,920
if you have a bunch of people that you

1898
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:35,520
know want to see a

1899
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:38,800
vision of the holy uh uh the virgin mary

1900
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:41,679
you know that manifests so you know are

1901
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:42,000
we

1902
01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:47,199
seeing something internal to ourselves

1903
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:48,880
that manifest in a way that appears

1904
01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:49,920
external

1905
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:52,159
yeah unfortunately i don't have the

1906
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:53,280
answer yeah

1907
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:56,239
yeah yeah and and i have witnessed and i

1908
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:57,520
want to get back to what you're doing

1909
01:16:01,830 --> 01:15:58,159
out there i

1910
01:16:02,709 --> 01:16:01,840
i i believe that i have witnessed a mix

1911
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:02,719
of things

1912
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:05,199
uh that's i think some things were balls

1913
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:08,000
of energy at at great altitudes

1914
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:10,640
um that may be not as physical as we

1915
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:11,440
think i've seen

1916
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:13,520
other things that are definitely 100

1917
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:14,560
percent

1918
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:16,960
metallic you know a structure and i've

1919
01:16:23,350 --> 01:16:19,440
seen that in daylight i've seen it

1920
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:23,360
at night um i've seen saucer-shaped

1921
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:26,640
stuff i've seen triangle-shaped things

1922
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:28,800
uh all sorts of different colors of

1923
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:30,080
lights uh

1924
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:33,360
individually um and it's it's never

1925
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:34,159
really been

1926
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:37,440
a consistent thing except

1927
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:40,080
a group of people right that seems to be

1928
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:41,120
drawing this in and

1929
01:16:44,470 --> 01:16:43,679
and where do they go how are they

1930
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:44,480
appearing

1931
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:46,159
right because it seems like a lot of

1932
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:49,280
these craft appear out of nowhere

1933
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:51,760
and is that the same experience out

1934
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:53,360
there at the meadow where

1935
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:54,800
everything seems to be a little bit

1936
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:56,400
different

1937
01:17:02,149 --> 01:17:00,480
yeah it's yeah you know we uh

1938
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:02,159
are we drawing the phenomena to

1939
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:04,239
ourselves you know does a phenomenon

1940
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:05,520
exist if we're not there

1941
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:07,360
you know is it like a tulpa you know are

1942
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:09,679
we somehow manifest

1943
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:12,560
manifesting you know these anomalous uh

1944
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:14,080
events

1945
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:16,480
i wish i knew i really wish i knew what

1946
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:17,600
we're trying to do

1947
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:21,040
in earnest is not only to capture the

1948
01:17:26,070 --> 01:17:23,120
experiential nature of these events

1949
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:26,080
you know how they affect people you know

1950
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:28,000
how do people experience these things

1951
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:30,800
how do they how do they process it you

1952
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:32,159
know intellectually

1953
01:17:36,070 --> 01:17:34,080
psychologically but we're also trying to

1954
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:36,080
capture empirical evidence you know we

1955
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:36,880
uh

1956
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,719
we carry trifield meters out there with

1957
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:40,719
us geiger counters

1958
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:42,800
uh you know various photographic

1959
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:44,080
equipment night vision

1960
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:47,280
thermal so we're trying to uh

1961
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:49,120
try to keep a foot on both sides you

1962
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:50,800
know on the empirical side and on the

1963
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:53,120
experiential side

1964
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:56,159
and you know we're

1965
01:17:59,910 --> 01:17:58,560
trying our best to come up with some

1966
01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:59,920
sort of

1967
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:02,400
commonality with these experiences and

1968
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:04,800
about the only thing that we have

1969
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:06,640
picked up that even looks like it's a

1970
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:08,480
precursor

1971
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:12,480
is our radiation we detect small amounts

1972
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:13,440
of radiation

1973
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:20,229
how much not much uh

1974
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:22,719
not much very tiny little bits uh in

1975
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:24,960
micro sieverts per hour tiny little bits

1976
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:26,880
of radiation but

1977
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:29,520
empirically enough to be uh you know

1978
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:30,800
significant i'll give you

1979
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:33,199
an example uh the the normal background

1980
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:34,960
radiation of that area

1981
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:38,400
is about point zero six micro sieverts

1982
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:40,080
per hour

1983
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:42,800
when we were doing some uh some

1984
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:44,880
experimentation with the other estes

1985
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:46,719
protocol or the estes method

1986
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:49,440
you know for uh communication we started

1987
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:51,600
seeing spikes of 0.12

1988
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:54,400
microsieverts per hour so that's

1989
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:55,280
doubling

1990
01:19:01,430 --> 01:18:59,440
so that's significant we've had

1991
01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:01,440
when i had a very strange occurrence

1992
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:03,520
where i became extremely disoriented we

1993
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:04,159
had about

1994
01:19:10,709 --> 01:19:07,600
uh 0.33 microsieverts per hour

1995
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:10,719
and we had a some sort of dark

1996
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:13,840
object pass by a campsite

1997
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:17,280
about a year ago moving very low and

1998
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:19,840
very slow

1999
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:22,239
and i had we have a photographs of the

2000
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:24,159
radiation detectors are picking up about

2001
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:27,440
0.66 micro sieverts per hour so

2002
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:29,679
for some reason little tiny spikes of

2003
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:30,880
radiation

2004
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:34,080
seem to be a common occurrence so

2005
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:35,760
we're hoping to explore that more and

2006
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:38,320
maybe you know come up with some sort of

2007
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:40,400
idea that we can predict when these

2008
01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:41,600
things are going to happen

2009
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:43,360
based on fluctuations in natural

2010
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:45,120
background radiation you mentioned a

2011
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:45,520
dark

2012
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,679
object you got my attention there uh

2013
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:49,199
what was it

2014
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:52,159
not what what what what did it look like

2015
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:53,360
well it was dark

2016
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:56,159
well all right i know i'm missing i'm

2017
01:20:02,390 --> 01:19:58,880
i'm teasing you

2018
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:02,400
i know deep breath uh okay here's

2019
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:04,080
here's what happened with that that was

2020
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:05,920
uh about a year ago

2021
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:08,400
it was during the midst of covet okay it

2022
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:10,320
was in june

2023
01:20:14,229 --> 01:20:13,120
and our normal campsite that we used was

2024
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:14,239
closed

2025
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:15,840
you know the powers that be decided they

2026
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:17,600
didn't want people congregating together

2027
01:20:20,629 --> 01:20:18,800
so the

2028
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:20,639
semi-official places where people might

2029
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:22,159
congregate they closed so they could

2030
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:23,679
unofficially congregate

2031
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:25,440
elsewhere it makes no sense but

2032
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:27,520
nevertheless there it was so

2033
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:29,760
there was an area that we camp at

2034
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:31,679
sometimes which is about four miles from

2035
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:33,440
the meadow

2036
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:36,960
uh and we had uh set up camp there and

2037
01:20:40,149 --> 01:20:39,199
sent a team out as it be that we were

2038
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:40,159
going to do the

2039
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:43,280
ce5 protocol that evening and we left

2040
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:44,960
one member back at base camp

2041
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:47,120
to uh you know just kind of take care of

2042
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:49,440
our equipment and watch for anything

2043
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:53,040
there was a a road through the nature

2044
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:53,600
preserve

2045
01:21:00,629 --> 01:20:57,199
about 25 yards from our

2046
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:00,639
base camp and it was a a

2047
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:04,320
gravel shirt road now you know the very

2048
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,480
distinctive sound that a vehicle makes

2049
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:08,400
when it travels across one of these

2050
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:10,960
roads that kind of crunch high

2051
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:13,440
pitch crunchy sound you know like rice

2052
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:15,760
krispies as it drives past

2053
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:17,679
well this was in the evening with no

2054
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:19,520
moon absolutely

2055
01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:21,679
pitch dark you could not see your hand

2056
01:21:23,669 --> 01:21:23,360
in front of your face that's how dark it

2057
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:23,679
was

2058
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:28,000
moonless dark still

2059
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:31,280
our team member back at base camp heard

2060
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:33,120
the distinctive sound of a vehicle

2061
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:34,800
driving along this road because several

2062
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:35,760
had passed by

2063
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:38,719
that evening so he sat there waiting for

2064
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:39,600
this vehicle

2065
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:43,840
to pass and all he heard was the sound

2066
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:46,320
moved past our campsite moved down the

2067
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:49,440
road in front of us he saw no headlights

2068
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:52,080
he saw no motion all he heard was the

2069
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:53,360
sound

2070
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:55,280
now the only way a vehicle could drive

2071
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:57,120
down this this road

2072
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:58,800
at that time and night and that kind of

2073
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:00,480
darkness is if they had the most

2074
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:03,679
advanced military night vision devices

2075
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:05,600
and they were taking a hell of a chance

2076
01:22:08,629 --> 01:22:07,040
driving down this road in the middle of

2077
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:08,639
the night

2078
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:12,080
so he never saw what this thing was

2079
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:15,280
but when it passed uh we always run our

2080
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:17,040
detection equipment wherever we're

2081
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:19,199
in base camp or out in the field his

2082
01:22:26,470 --> 01:22:20,159
radiation meter

2083
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:30,790
and if uh when we talk about 0.66

2084
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:33,199
and i know what the uh you mentioned you

2085
01:22:38,229 --> 01:22:35,120
know the normal readings

2086
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:38,239
uh that are there is that something that

2087
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:42,080
can be uh easily explained

2088
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:44,080
you know is there some type of radiation

2089
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:46,080
that is common in a vehicle

2090
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:49,440
that just normally emanates because

2091
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:53,040
it it's a car no and that's uh that's a

2092
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:54,320
good question because

2093
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:56,320
remember it was about 25 yards away from

2094
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:58,159
where our team member was

2095
01:23:02,390 --> 01:22:59,520
right so he was you know he was a

2096
01:23:06,149 --> 01:23:02,400
distance away 75 feet away

2097
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:06,159
so you know there's no real explanation

2098
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:09,520
uh that's normal you know air quote

2099
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:10,560
normal

2100
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:12,239
that i can come up with why he would

2101
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:14,639
experience a a little radiation spike

2102
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:15,600
like that

2103
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:19,120
now that's not that's not a dark object

2104
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:22,000
that sounds like the men in black and i

2105
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:22,880
don't want to

2106
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:25,440
you know just go down that road

2107
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:26,719
literally

2108
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:30,960
but that sounds like you guys were being

2109
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:33,280
observed and somebody was out there

2110
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:34,560
checking you out

2111
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:37,440
headlights are off dark vehicle military

2112
01:23:42,110 --> 01:23:38,719
vehicle they've got

2113
01:23:45,149 --> 01:23:42,120
equipment in the car emanating

2114
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:45,159
radiation right they've got some kind of

2115
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:46,320
electromagnetic

2116
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:48,800
uh things that are running inside of

2117
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:50,000
that car to observe

2118
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:52,480
you guys and that's what that sounds

2119
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:53,440
like to me

2120
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:55,199
now have you had a men in black

2121
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:56,560
experience

2122
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:58,639
and would you classify that as men in

2123
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:00,880
black

2124
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:07,679
uh that the vehicle

2125
01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:10,960
object mode of transport whatever you

2126
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:12,400
want to call it that move past our

2127
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:14,239
campsite

2128
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:17,520
i am leery about placing a label on it

2129
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:19,600
you know i'm just going to talk about

2130
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:21,600
what the experience was

2131
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:25,040
and uh what the empirical data was i.e

2132
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:26,800
the radiation readings

2133
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:28,880
uh and let people make up their own

2134
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:30,719
minds you know what they think that was

2135
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:33,600
uh i'm perplexed i don't know exactly

2136
01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:34,960
what it was

2137
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:36,639
but uh you know as far as having an

2138
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:38,960
experience with strange

2139
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:41,360
visitors clad and business attire yes

2140
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:42,159
absolutely

2141
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:46,800
and that that incident was the one

2142
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:49,840
i've never really been completely

2143
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:51,120
unnerved out there

2144
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:53,679
except for that one incident and what

2145
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:56,639
happened yeah what happened

2146
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:59,520
okay we had had a amazing night you know

2147
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,239
we had

2148
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:03,280
uh videotaped and observed

2149
01:25:07,669 --> 01:25:05,360
portals opening up people disappearing

2150
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:07,679
into portals you've seen that video

2151
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:11,120
uh we've seen uh entities

2152
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:14,719
uh of energy heat uh and just had a

2153
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:17,040
crazy evening very odd very

2154
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:18,560
strange and you know we can go into the

2155
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:20,320
details of that part of the evening

2156
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:23,440
uh in a little bit but uh when we were

2157
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:24,960
getting ready to wrap up come back to

2158
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:30,790
when we arrived back at camp after

2159
01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:33,040
making that short quarter mile hike

2160
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:36,960
i was astonished to find a businesswoman

2161
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:39,760
waiting for us at camp now this is in

2162
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:41,600
the middle of the forest

2163
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:46,239
in february at night yeah what time

2164
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:50,320
10 30 10 30. okay so it's in the evening

2165
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:54,080
it's cold it's dark we're remote and

2166
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:55,199
there's a doggone

2167
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:57,520
freaking business woman waiting for us

2168
01:26:02,629 --> 01:25:59,360
standing there rather

2169
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:02,639
resplendent in her loafers slacks blouse

2170
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:07,360
and blazer you know so

2171
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:09,199
this business woman comes up and she

2172
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,480
starts

2173
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,400
trying to talk to us you know she had

2174
01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:14,400
been bugging our base camp operators you

2175
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:15,920
know we i need to talk to those guys

2176
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:17,120
they need to come out of the field i

2177
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:18,719
need to talk to them

2178
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:21,600
and she started trying to convince us to

2179
01:26:23,669 --> 01:26:22,000
drop

2180
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:23,679
everything we were doing and follow her

2181
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:25,280
down a deserted

2182
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:29,040
county road and she said at the end of

2183
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:31,199
this road there was a structure

2184
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:33,679
like a barn or a house and this

2185
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:35,679
structure was inhabited by something she

2186
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:36,000
called

2187
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:38,000
monkey bears now i know what a gummy

2188
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:39,679
bear is but i'll be damned if i know

2189
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:41,840
what a monkey bear is

2190
01:26:46,709 --> 01:26:44,960
so you know i didn't only say

2191
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:46,719
no i said heck no you know i'm not

2192
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:48,480
following you down some

2193
01:26:52,149 --> 01:26:50,000
dark road in the middle of the night and

2194
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,159
i don't know who you are that's just

2195
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:54,719
preposterous i'm not doing it and she

2196
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:56,560
kept on she was very insistent she

2197
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:57,760
didn't you know it was almost like she

2198
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,280
was trying to divert us keep us from

2199
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:01,280
doing our after action review

2200
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:03,600
and you know record all the events that

2201
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:06,239
we had experienced that evening

2202
01:27:11,669 --> 01:27:09,840
so uh you know and she she kept on and

2203
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:11,679
started trying to engage with me since i

2204
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,320
was a you know the leader of the group

2205
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:16,320
and she asked a question she said well

2206
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:18,480
where did you go to university

2207
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:22,320
what well that's an odd yeah and i said

2208
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:25,440
so you know just wanting to you know

2209
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:27,040
pass a fire and try to get her to go

2210
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:28,320
away i said well you know i went to the

2211
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:31,040
university of west georgia

2212
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:34,080
and she goes oh strange i did too

2213
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:35,600
like okay that's weird she goes well

2214
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:37,120
what was your degree in

2215
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:38,320
i said well i have a degree in

2216
01:27:41,110 --> 01:27:40,239
psychology and a minor in anthropology

2217
01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:41,120
goes

2218
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:42,480
that's crazy i have a degree in

2219
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:45,120
psychology from there too

2220
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:46,560
and i'm thinking okay you know this

2221
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:48,880
woman's just basically parroting what i

2222
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:51,679
tell her you know she's

2223
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:53,120
you know just messing with me so i was

2224
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:54,719
going to trick her i was

2225
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:57,280
going to catch her i said oh really i

2226
01:28:00,149 --> 01:27:58,320
said

2227
01:28:02,550 --> 01:28:00,159
who are some of your professors while

2228
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:02,560
you were there and she actually named

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professors that i had

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and i knew personally

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01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:11,440
so we've got a businesswoman

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in the remote forest 10 30 at night in

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01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:15,040
the winter time

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01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:16,960
wearing business attire that went to the

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same university i did has the same

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degree i did

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and studied under the same professors i

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i i got nothing i got against you

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01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:31,280
it gets even weirder oh man

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01:28:35,350 --> 01:28:33,920
so so this uh this woman is you know

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01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:35,360
just continuously

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haranguing us about following her to

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01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:39,840
track down these these legendary

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01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:43,440
elusive monkey bears and

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01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:45,440
you know during the during this whole

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01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:48,000
conversation she stops

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01:28:53,590 --> 01:28:52,000
looks around walks out about 25 yards

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01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:53,600
just in the edge of our lantern light

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01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:55,280
remember this is in the evening

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she squats down and urinates in front of

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01:29:01,990 --> 01:28:59,600
us get out

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01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:02,000
yeah and it pulls her pants back up and

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01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:03,199
walks back over

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01:29:09,750 --> 01:29:04,800
over to us and continues like nothing

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yeah follow me down the deserted road to

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01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:14,800
the barn of nightmares

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yeah all right thank you

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01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:21,600
that's from dan james over in australia

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yeah

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are gonna follow you straight there

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that that's crazy town i love saying

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01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:31,760
crazy town when it's crazy town

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oh that's crazy town it's like 2-2 get

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take a break right here this is fade to

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black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight trey

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hudson is here we're talking about the

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meadow

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his book is the metal project

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skinwalker ranch links are at

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jimmychurchradio.com we'll be right back

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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supply

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you are listening to fate to black with

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oh hi i'm rhys evans you're listening to

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jimmy church

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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01:33:46,629 --> 01:33:44,320
host jimmy church tonight trey hudson is

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01:33:48,070 --> 01:33:46,639
with us more with trey in just a second

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i want to talk to you about virtual

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shield virtual shield vpn

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everybody needs a vpn these days

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internet security your browsing history

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01:34:00,310 --> 01:33:58,159
your location all of that

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01:34:01,669 --> 01:34:00,320
you need to make it private you need to

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01:34:04,310 --> 01:34:01,679
just uh take control

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you have to do it i've done it uh i've

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got vpn virtual shield on

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01:34:12,149 --> 01:34:09,840
everything that i use both studios and

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that's the way that we have to do things

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01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:14,320
today it's the world that we live in

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you don't want your sensitive

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01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:18,400
information compromised

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01:34:23,110 --> 01:34:21,040
none of that and there is a lot of uh

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01:34:24,629 --> 01:34:23,120
fraud and hacking that is going on out

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01:34:26,550 --> 01:34:24,639
there and the only way to

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01:34:28,070 --> 01:34:26,560
make sure that you are secure is virtual

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shield vpn

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it's all simple to do it's encrypted

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servers

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it's a strict no log policy it's your

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location

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you need to get your own vpn click on

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01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:38,560
the link

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in the video description box below it's

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right there virtual shield vpn

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click on the link get straight over

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there virtual shield for fifty percent

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off today

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01:34:52,149 --> 01:34:49,600
go and do it you can also type into your

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browser probably for the last time

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unsecured virtual shield vpn.com forward

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slash

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fade to black take care of business get

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virtual shield today

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do it now um trey before we get to

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01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:09,119
uh the barn of nightmares

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01:35:12,709 --> 01:35:12,000
and going back to uh the crazy evening

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01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:12,719
um

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01:35:16,950 --> 01:35:15,840
i wanted to ask you really quick as a

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01:35:19,990 --> 01:35:16,960
member

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01:35:22,149 --> 01:35:20,000
of uh uh security uh

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01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:22,159
for the nation both uh with the

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01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:23,920
department of defense and certainly in

2380
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:25,600
your military career

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01:35:32,470 --> 01:35:29,440
here we are today with ufos and uaps

2382
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:32,480
uh right at the center of everything a

2383
01:35:39,109 --> 01:35:34,800
house subcommittee today had a

2384
01:35:40,950 --> 01:35:39,119
had a a private uh uh briefing

2385
01:35:42,149 --> 01:35:40,960
with those that are writing this report

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01:35:43,830 --> 01:35:42,159
it uh that

2387
01:35:45,669 --> 01:35:43,840
that was breaking news we had lou

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01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:45,679
elizondo yesterday

2389
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:47,760
uh with his statements in uh the

2390
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:48,880
examiner

2391
01:35:53,270 --> 01:35:51,840
uh we know that this report is eminent

2392
01:35:55,109 --> 01:35:53,280
and and here we are

2393
01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:55,119
where i think for the first time in

2394
01:35:59,669 --> 01:35:58,080
history we find ourselves at a very very

2395
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:59,679
strange crossroads

2396
01:36:04,149 --> 01:36:01,679
with your background how do you feel

2397
01:36:06,149 --> 01:36:04,159
about this do you think that the uh

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01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:06,159
the military and the pentagon are about

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01:36:09,830 --> 01:36:07,760
to be forthcoming

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01:36:10,790 --> 01:36:09,840
and and honest with what they know about

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01:36:14,149 --> 01:36:10,800
the uap

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01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:14,159
ufo issue that's a good question

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01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:16,000
one thing i have to be uh you know

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01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:17,840
forthcoming about in my entire career

2405
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:19,040
i've never dealt with

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01:36:23,109 --> 01:36:21,600
anything uap related so you know i'm

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01:36:24,870 --> 01:36:23,119
going to put that out there so i'm not

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01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:24,880
you know one of those guys that

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01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:26,080
you know dealt with this during his

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01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:28,400
career however

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01:36:32,229 --> 01:36:30,639
you know i am familiar with the way the

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01:36:33,990 --> 01:36:32,239
department of defense works you know and

2413
01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:34,000
it's a very

2414
01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:37,280
pragmatic organization almost to a fault

2415
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:40,400
so you know when this report comes out i

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01:36:45,910 --> 01:36:41,600
think it's a

2417
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:45,920
as important to look at what it says

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01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:48,960
as well as what it doesn't say

2419
01:36:53,189 --> 01:36:52,000
okay you know i've written reports you

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01:36:53,990 --> 01:36:53,199
know for the department of defense

2421
01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:54,000
before and

2422
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:57,520
you're given a very specific mandate

2423
01:37:01,910 --> 01:36:59,600
and so what the uh the authors of this

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01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:01,920
report are not going to say

2425
01:37:05,109 --> 01:37:04,400
is something they can't back up so just

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01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:05,119
because

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01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:08,800
they say that these devices these

2428
01:37:11,350 --> 01:37:09,760
objects these

2429
01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:11,360
things these machines whatever you want

2430
01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:12,960
to call them

2431
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:16,080
are not extraterrestrial they're not

2432
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:16,880
necessary

2433
01:37:20,229 --> 01:37:18,639
or they're they can't determine they're

2434
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:20,239
extraterrestrial they're not saying that

2435
01:37:23,030 --> 01:37:21,440
they're not

2436
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:23,040
so it's important that we read between

2437
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:28,550
i think that this is a very unique time

2438
01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:29,520
in our history

2439
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:31,600
not only as a nation but you know as a

2440
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:32,960
civilization

2441
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:36,239
uh they're real they're absolutely real

2442
01:37:39,109 --> 01:37:36,639
you know

2443
01:37:39,910 --> 01:37:39,119
when the uh the famous tic tac go fast

2444
01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:39,920
gimbal

2445
01:37:43,109 --> 01:37:41,920
videos came out i was amazed just like

2446
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:43,119
everybody else

2447
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:46,639
and you have the most advanced airframes

2448
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:49,600
with the most uh advanced uh equipped

2449
01:37:52,629 --> 01:37:51,119
surveillance equipment that they can put

2450
01:37:54,070 --> 01:37:52,639
on that airframe not only surveillance

2451
01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:54,080
but targeting equipment

2452
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:56,080
picking up these objects not only do you

2453
01:37:58,950 --> 01:37:57,920
have these advanced airframes and

2454
01:38:01,990 --> 01:37:58,960
equipment

2455
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:02,000
they're operated and piloted by you know

2456
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:03,679
guys and gals that are oftentimes

2457
01:38:08,229 --> 01:38:05,119
aerospace engineers

2458
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:08,239
aeronautical engineers you know trained

2459
01:38:14,229 --> 01:38:11,280
uh observers you know that are used to

2460
01:38:15,109 --> 01:38:14,239
uh iff identification a friend or foe

2461
01:38:16,870 --> 01:38:15,119
when it comes to

2462
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:16,880
you know other aircraft and they don't

2463
01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:18,480
know what these things are

2464
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:20,320
you know with thousands of hours of

2465
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:22,320
flight time you know under their belts

2466
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:25,920
so that was groundbreaking uh

2467
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:28,159
you know people that make the statement

2468
01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:30,560
that the government can't keep a secret

2469
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:32,800
the government can keep a secret if the

2470
01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:34,480
government wants to keep a secret it

2471
01:38:38,229 --> 01:38:36,320
most definitely can keep a secret

2472
01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:38,239
and that's a discussion for a much

2473
01:38:41,590 --> 01:38:39,600
different time

2474
01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:41,600
so i think it's uh i think it's very

2475
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:42,960
interesting that

2476
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:44,560
you know either the department of

2477
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:47,600
defense and the us government has

2478
01:38:52,629 --> 01:38:50,960
become weary of uh holding this

2479
01:38:54,629 --> 01:38:52,639
information back

2480
01:38:56,470 --> 01:38:54,639
or maybe the cat got out of the bag and

2481
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:56,480
now it's time for disclosure you know it

2482
01:39:01,990 --> 01:38:58,639
accidentally got out of the bag

2483
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:02,000
uh or you know maybe they think we're

2484
01:39:05,270 --> 01:39:03,360
ready

2485
01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:05,280
but i'm very excited about it i think

2486
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:07,199
it's going to uh

2487
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:08,480
you know all of us that have been

2488
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:10,480
believers for years you know i think

2489
01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:12,400
it's it's going to finally put

2490
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:17,360
the existence of uaps to bed

2491
01:39:20,709 --> 01:39:19,600
now the question is what are they where

2492
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:20,719
are they from

2493
01:39:27,109 --> 01:39:24,000
and what the heck are they doing yeah i

2494
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:27,119
i agree and i

2495
01:39:31,510 --> 01:39:29,679
think that i'm talking about the reading

2496
01:39:32,629 --> 01:39:31,520
between the lines issues there's no

2497
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:32,639
question we're at a

2498
01:39:36,709 --> 01:39:35,600
very very exciting point in human

2499
01:39:39,990 --> 01:39:36,719
history

2500
01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:40,000
um and but what is not going

2501
01:39:43,470 --> 01:39:42,000
to be in the report if they don't rule

2502
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:43,480
out

2503
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:45,600
extraterrestrial well that's going to

2504
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:48,320
allow the community to say hey well

2505
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:50,960
they didn't say that it wasn't right so

2506
01:39:54,750 --> 01:39:52,639
you leave that part

2507
01:39:56,550 --> 01:39:54,760
because they can't say or they won't say

2508
01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:56,560
definitively

2509
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:58,719
that part of it it's going to be very

2510
01:40:03,109 --> 01:40:00,320
interesting how they word it

2511
01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:03,119
and this is the other part for me trey

2512
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:03,440
in

2513
01:40:07,430 --> 01:40:06,400
any other year this is a worldwide

2514
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:07,440
pandemic

2515
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:10,320
and it's not only coveted but it is you

2516
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:11,840
know people being locked down in their

2517
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:13,280
homes and the shutting down of the

2518
01:40:16,390 --> 01:40:15,600
airline industry and the travel industry

2519
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:16,400
and

2520
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:20,960
the united states but all around the

2521
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:22,080
world and

2522
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:24,960
and the economies and everything you

2523
01:40:27,669 --> 01:40:25,199
know

2524
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:27,679
wasn't just covet it was everything that

2525
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:29,199
came along with it

2526
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:32,320
and an election year so throw that into

2527
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:33,520
as well

2528
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:36,960
so ufos are real

2529
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:40,400
and it it didn't have any impact

2530
01:40:44,229 --> 01:40:42,719
right it did you just didn't because

2531
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:44,239
there was everything else going on and

2532
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:45,280
people are worried about

2533
01:40:49,350 --> 01:40:48,159
other stuff and in any other year this

2534
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:49,360
would be the biggest

2535
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:53,119
you know headline in in history right

2536
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,560
got very that's that is uh disappointing

2537
01:41:01,510 --> 01:40:58,960
you know to me i actually had a a friend

2538
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:01,520
of mine who's a retired army colonel

2539
01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:04,560
uh he's an engineer i came over to my

2540
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:05,440
office

2541
01:41:08,550 --> 01:41:06,880
and he said you know i'm not here on

2542
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:08,560
anything official but he goes what's the

2543
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:10,080
deal with the ufo stuff

2544
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:12,320
you know he goes why are people not

2545
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:14,400
screaming from the rooftops why is this

2546
01:41:18,310 --> 01:41:15,280
not

2547
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:18,320
you know the primary you know point of

2548
01:41:21,270 --> 01:41:19,520
discussion

2549
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:21,280
you know over every dinner table you

2550
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:23,679
know at every water cooler you know in

2551
01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:25,360
every office every deli

2552
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:27,280
every restaurant you know in the entire

2553
01:41:31,350 --> 01:41:29,760
world and everybody just kind of you

2554
01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:31,360
know shrugs their shoulder

2555
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:33,920
and says oh well you know some prince

2556
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:35,679
from england said something naughty

2557
01:41:39,030 --> 01:41:37,600
you know on an oprah interview you know

2558
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:39,040
the people are focused on that

2559
01:41:42,470 --> 01:41:41,679
so i don't know if we're intellectually

2560
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:42,480
lazy

2561
01:41:48,870 --> 01:41:45,520
we're distracted we're overwhelmed

2562
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:48,880
or we don't care right

2563
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:51,600
and could it be that and i'll tell you

2564
01:41:54,629 --> 01:41:52,800
why

2565
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:54,639
uh we're supposed to be talking about

2566
01:41:59,350 --> 01:41:56,159
the meadow but this is such an

2567
01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:59,360
important subject they've done a really

2568
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:00,960
good job

2569
01:42:05,870 --> 01:42:04,239
of trickling this out

2570
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:05,880
done a really good job of that

2571
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:07,920
exoplanets science

2572
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:12,000
physics fast radio bursts alien life on

2573
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:13,119
mars right

2574
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:15,760
i mean just trickling the search for it

2575
01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:17,760
and that's the science side and then you

2576
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:19,520
have the mass media side

2577
01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:22,560
you have movies and tv and and

2578
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:25,840
ancient aliens for the last 10 years

2579
01:42:30,149 --> 01:42:28,800
you have all of this coming out

2580
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:30,159
constantly

2581
01:42:35,390 --> 01:42:32,560
and it was a pretty effective thing so

2582
01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:35,400
when the big moment does arrive

2583
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:38,000
[Laughter]

2584
01:42:42,229 --> 01:42:40,239
and we're seeing evidence of that i find

2585
01:42:44,229 --> 01:42:42,239
that totally fascinating

2586
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:44,239
well right i mean we as a culture we've

2587
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:45,760
been you know sitting here holding our

2588
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:47,600
collective breath waiting for gort to

2589
01:42:51,109 --> 01:42:49,440
walk out and you know pick up patricia

2590
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:51,119
neal and carry her into the saucer you

2591
01:42:54,709 --> 01:42:52,719
know that's

2592
01:42:56,229 --> 01:42:54,719
it it's going to be anticlimactic it's

2593
01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:56,239
going to be yeah okay i kind of thought

2594
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:57,199
that anyway okay

2595
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:59,440
you know what what's on uh what's on uh

2596
01:43:02,390 --> 01:43:00,560
home and garden you know

2597
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:02,400
let's watch them flip a house yeah yeah

2598
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:04,239
yeah no no doubt man i'm going to watch

2599
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:05,520
the day the earth to

2600
01:43:09,430 --> 01:43:08,639
steal tonight that's a that's a such a

2601
01:43:12,390 --> 01:43:09,440
great

2602
01:43:14,229 --> 01:43:12,400
movie um but there's another part i want

2603
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:14,239
to stay on this

2604
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:18,239
um two weeks ago

2605
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:22,000
to the day jan pataki

2606
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:25,760
pasaki steps up to the podium

2607
01:43:29,109 --> 01:43:28,560
in the white house press room right

2608
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:29,119
around

2609
01:43:36,470 --> 01:43:32,400
the corner from the oval office

2610
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:36,480
and fields a question from a reporter

2611
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:40,320
about uaps right and

2612
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:42,880
very and her answer now she had a little

2613
01:43:47,109 --> 01:43:44,719
smirk at first

2614
01:43:49,270 --> 01:43:47,119
right the reporter goes back at her

2615
01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:49,280
don't don't blow this off

2616
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:51,360
what about the uap task force what is

2617
01:43:54,310 --> 01:43:53,280
the president doing about it what is his

2618
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:54,320
concern

2619
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:57,280
are there little green men are we being

2620
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:59,280
invaded by e.t right i'm paraphrasing

2621
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:01,119
but hit her with that again

2622
01:44:06,149 --> 01:44:03,360
she steps back to the podium open you

2623
01:44:08,950 --> 01:44:06,159
know she's got the three-ring binder

2624
01:44:10,229 --> 01:44:08,960
flips to her page and has a prepared

2625
01:44:13,910 --> 01:44:10,239
statement

2626
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:13,920
about ufos and uaps and reads that out

2627
01:44:19,270 --> 01:44:17,040
very serious and i'm

2628
01:44:20,470 --> 01:44:19,280
thinking to myself i saw it live by the

2629
01:44:24,870 --> 01:44:20,480
way and

2630
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:24,880
uh that was but as far as i know

2631
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:27,119
that's the first time in the in the

2632
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:28,560
white house pressed

2633
01:44:32,149 --> 01:44:31,119
briefing room that this has been

2634
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:32,159
discussed

2635
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:35,679
that's the level we are at right now

2636
01:44:42,629 --> 01:44:38,960
it's a very very big deal

2637
01:44:45,990 --> 01:44:42,639
and again right

2638
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:46,000
i would have thought that every every

2639
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:48,560
media outlet in the world is going to be

2640
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:50,400
talking about this and it was like i was

2641
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:52,719
the only one that was impressed

2642
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:55,920
how does how did we get here that this

2643
01:44:59,590 --> 01:44:58,159
subject of ufos and if we are alone in

2644
01:45:02,470 --> 01:44:59,600
the universe

2645
01:45:03,669 --> 01:45:02,480
is not the biggest thing out there

2646
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:03,679
period

2647
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:06,000
i i just don't get it i i don't get it

2648
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:07,440
and the pandemic's over

2649
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:09,840
right it's over right we got to the end

2650
01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:10,960
of this thing

2651
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:14,960
let's move on to this very important

2652
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:17,280
subject

2653
01:45:24,070 --> 01:45:22,000
uh yeah i i'm i like you i'm baffled why

2654
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:24,080
the the intellectual curiosity you know

2655
01:45:26,709 --> 01:45:25,840
i mentioned being a child of the 70s i

2656
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:26,719
remember

2657
01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:35,119
the the spirit the the excitement the

2658
01:45:40,790 --> 01:45:39,119
worldwide thirst during the space race

2659
01:45:43,510 --> 01:45:40,800
you know we were so

2660
01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:43,520
curious uh you know verner von braun

2661
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:44,320
would you know

2662
01:45:48,709 --> 01:45:45,760
you know he was a celebrity he was a

2663
01:45:51,669 --> 01:45:48,719
rock star back then

2664
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:51,679
and now we have you know i mean i'll

2665
01:45:54,870 --> 01:45:53,199
come out and say it it looks like

2666
01:45:58,149 --> 01:45:54,880
definitive proof that

2667
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:58,159
we're not alone and it gets a collective

2668
01:46:02,310 --> 01:46:00,320
yeah yeah you know is it you know have

2669
01:46:04,149 --> 01:46:02,320
we completely disintegrated into the pit

2670
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:04,159
of post-modernism that

2671
01:46:08,390 --> 01:46:06,960
we're just not amazed anymore are we so

2672
01:46:11,669 --> 01:46:08,400
jaded

2673
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:11,679
i hope not well you know we uh we have

2674
01:46:14,229 --> 01:46:12,000
been

2675
01:46:15,430 --> 01:46:14,239
talking about for years in the ufo

2676
01:46:17,189 --> 01:46:15,440
community

2677
01:46:19,109 --> 01:46:17,199
you know the drip drip drip of

2678
01:46:23,270 --> 01:46:19,119
disclosure you know getting it out

2679
01:46:25,270 --> 01:46:23,280
a little bit at a time and in some ways

2680
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:25,280
uh with the ufo community we kind of

2681
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:26,400
joked about it

2682
01:46:31,669 --> 01:46:29,040
because we see it going on and we we

2683
01:46:35,109 --> 01:46:31,679
understand the ufo question and this is

2684
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:35,119
our interest in the ufo community and so

2685
01:46:38,229 --> 01:46:37,119
yeah it was just kind of like this

2686
01:46:41,350 --> 01:46:38,239
running joke

2687
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:41,360
about the drip drip drip of disclosure i

2688
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:42,719
don't think what any of us

2689
01:46:48,790 --> 01:46:46,719
expected to play out was that

2690
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:48,800
the drip drip drip of disclosure it's

2691
01:46:53,430 --> 01:46:50,400
like really happening

2692
01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:53,440
the rest of the world you know um

2693
01:47:01,350 --> 01:46:57,119
where you're talking to strangers okay

2694
01:47:04,390 --> 01:47:01,360
so i had to see a doctor yesterday

2695
01:47:07,990 --> 01:47:04,400
no big deal okay all right uh

2696
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:08,000
uh uh just something and

2697
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:10,080
start talking to the doctor about ufos

2698
01:47:13,669 --> 01:47:11,280
and she comes in

2699
01:47:16,709 --> 01:47:13,679
i hope she's listening right now she

2700
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:16,719
goes okay jimmy

2701
01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:18,080
i got to show you this picture that a

2702
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:20,080
friend of mine sent to me right and she

2703
01:47:23,830 --> 01:47:20,960
takes out herself

2704
01:47:24,149 --> 01:47:23,840
and it's pretty cool it's two objects uh

2705
01:47:27,350 --> 01:47:24,159
up

2706
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:27,360
and it's uh one of those uh uh what do

2707
01:47:30,870 --> 01:47:29,280
you call it the the photographs with an

2708
01:47:32,790 --> 01:47:30,880
iphone where you got the little movie at

2709
01:47:35,510 --> 01:47:32,800
the beginning and the emotion

2710
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:35,520
yeah you know right so i get to see

2711
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:37,040
what's happening here and i'm watching

2712
01:47:39,830 --> 01:47:37,360
this

2713
01:47:40,870 --> 01:47:39,840
little short three second movie and it's

2714
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:40,880
like holy crap

2715
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:44,400
right and uh and it's a it's a great

2716
01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:47,040
uh video that she showed me but then she

2717
01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:48,400
just goes

2718
01:47:54,629 --> 01:47:51,520
he's a doctor she goes

2719
01:47:57,030 --> 01:47:54,639
of course we're not alone

2720
01:47:57,910 --> 01:47:57,040
of course you know that's her reaction

2721
01:48:01,350 --> 01:47:57,920
right

2722
01:48:01,830 --> 01:48:01,360
it's she's not freaking out her attitude

2723
01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:01,840
is

2724
01:48:06,390 --> 01:48:04,480
well of course we we can't be all there

2725
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:06,400
is of course we're not alone

2726
01:48:12,149 --> 01:48:09,440
and i don't think she's tripping

2727
01:48:13,030 --> 01:48:12,159
i i don't i really don't and that's how

2728
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:13,040
effective

2729
01:48:17,590 --> 01:48:15,679
all of this has been it's played out

2730
01:48:20,149 --> 01:48:17,600
pretty well trey pretty well

2731
01:48:22,149 --> 01:48:20,159
all right let's get to this day of uh of

2732
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:22,159
uh the crazy night where everything

2733
01:48:26,790 --> 01:48:25,040
uh went on uh let's back up and we can

2734
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:26,800
run this into the next segment too as

2735
01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:27,600
well

2736
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:30,800
uh sure yeah this crazy night so

2737
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:33,040
all of this happened before she decided

2738
01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:34,080
to uh pee

2739
01:48:39,590 --> 01:48:37,600
often in the darkness right right the uh

2740
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:39,600
the mystery urinator this is before she

2741
01:48:42,950 --> 01:48:41,280
you know she made her appearance

2742
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:42,960
you know this was before we ever heard

2743
01:48:48,070 --> 01:48:44,800
the mention of monkey bears

2744
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:48,080
uh this was in february of 2017

2745
01:48:54,790 --> 01:48:51,600
uh we had you know set up a pretty

2746
01:48:56,550 --> 01:48:54,800
standardized uh protocol you know when

2747
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:56,560
we go out in this area is we'll set up

2748
01:49:00,229 --> 01:48:59,040
several teams in the field itself in the

2749
01:49:02,310 --> 01:49:00,239
meadow

2750
01:49:03,270 --> 01:49:02,320
equipped with night vision and flir

2751
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:03,280
thermal

2752
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,360
take another team and have them move

2753
01:49:11,030 --> 01:49:09,600
across a ridge which is adjacent to the

2754
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:11,040
field and the idea

2755
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:13,199
is the team on the ridge can see

2756
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:14,400
anything below

2757
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:18,000
on the ridge they'll force it down into

2758
01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:18,880
the field

2759
01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:20,880
and it'll be detectable by the the teams

2760
01:49:24,470 --> 01:49:21,920
down there

2761
01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:24,480
so we did that myself and two other guys

2762
01:49:27,589 --> 01:49:25,040
were on the

2763
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:27,599
other ridge team and we moved from east

2764
01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:28,080
to west

2765
01:49:32,470 --> 01:49:30,800
and we got to the west end of the ridge

2766
01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:32,480
and we looked down

2767
01:49:39,109 --> 01:49:35,520
and one of our team members on his flear

2768
01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:39,119
saw an upright heat signature

2769
01:49:46,229 --> 01:49:42,320
six foot tall you know taking a guess

2770
01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:46,239
24 inches wide the size of a human being

2771
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:48,639
this single solitary heat signature did

2772
01:49:52,149 --> 01:49:50,400
not correspond with any of our team

2773
01:49:54,550 --> 01:49:52,159
members we have a

2774
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:54,560
a very tight protocol no team moves from

2775
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:55,920
their position unless they're given

2776
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:57,040
authorization

2777
01:50:00,870 --> 01:49:58,960
and we know where everybody is we

2778
01:50:02,470 --> 01:50:00,880
radioed everybody

2779
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:02,480
and i got their position did not

2780
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:04,719
correspond with this heat signature

2781
01:50:08,870 --> 01:50:07,280
so as we're filming this heat signature

2782
01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:08,880
it shrinks

2783
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:11,840
down to about three foot tall then it

2784
01:50:14,070 --> 01:50:12,320
goes back

2785
01:50:15,510 --> 01:50:14,080
up to six foot back down to three foot

2786
01:50:17,270 --> 01:50:15,520
back up to six foot

2787
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:17,280
and then it splits into two distinct

2788
01:50:23,189 --> 01:50:19,920
heat signatures

2789
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:25,189
if there if there was ever a case of

2790
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:26,639
high strangeness

2791
01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:30,320
right right

2792
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:33,199
that's that's that's that uh that's hard

2793
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:34,960
to uh

2794
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:37,360
uh that's hard to repeat with a straight

2795
01:50:40,870 --> 01:50:38,880
face

2796
01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:40,880
yeah it was it was and we have it on

2797
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:43,360
film which is you know really cool

2798
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:46,239
um and so we're like you know hot damn

2799
01:50:50,629 --> 01:50:48,080
we got something really cool this night

2800
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:50,639
can't get any stranger

2801
01:50:55,270 --> 01:50:53,760
well yeah it can and it did uh

2802
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:55,280
we dropped down into the west end of the

2803
01:50:57,990 --> 01:50:57,119
meadow and started working our way back

2804
01:51:01,189 --> 01:50:58,000
east

2805
01:51:03,669 --> 01:51:01,199
of our

2806
01:51:04,830 --> 01:51:03,679
teams in the middle of the meadow said

2807
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:04,840
we've got something

2808
01:51:09,990 --> 01:51:08,400
forming in the meadow

2809
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:10,000
we have something that's starting to

2810
01:51:15,030 --> 01:51:11,760
manifest

2811
01:51:18,149 --> 01:51:15,040
and they described it as a cube or a box

2812
01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:18,159
now we talked about this okay this is

2813
01:51:25,270 --> 01:51:21,920
uh everybody pay attention sit forward

2814
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:25,280
and focus okay

2815
01:51:31,510 --> 01:51:28,880
this is the box go ahead trey

2816
01:51:32,470 --> 01:51:31,520
this is the box yes this is the box that

2817
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:32,480
you know

2818
01:51:38,950 --> 01:51:35,920
about

2819
01:51:40,950 --> 01:51:38,960
this box starts to form and

2820
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:40,960
about the time that our my team member

2821
01:51:44,950 --> 01:51:43,040
hits record on his flea we don't

2822
01:51:46,229 --> 01:51:44,960
run record all the time because it eats

2823
01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:46,239
up the battery so

2824
01:51:49,270 --> 01:51:48,080
about the time he hits record it starts

2825
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:49,280
to dissipate

2826
01:51:53,669 --> 01:51:51,840
you know this this cube this box starts

2827
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:53,679
to fade away and it was

2828
01:51:58,629 --> 01:51:55,679
i'm looking at my notes now it's about

2829
01:52:01,990 --> 01:51:58,639
10 meters by six meters by six meters

2830
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:02,000
it was big it was a huge box and so

2831
01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:03,840
we came over to that team and said you

2832
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:05,360
know tell us about this box and he

2833
01:52:07,669 --> 01:52:07,040
explained it to us and we said okay well

2834
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:07,679
let's

2835
01:52:11,589 --> 01:52:09,520
send a team over there to where this

2836
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:11,599
thing was and see if there's

2837
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:13,520
you know any changes to the environment

2838
01:52:18,950 --> 01:52:16,960
you know any imprints anything like that

2839
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:18,960
make sure you're recording this because

2840
01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:20,880
uh we want you to record the team as

2841
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:23,119
they go over there

2842
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:25,199
so we're recording as the team

2843
01:52:30,229 --> 01:52:27,119
approaches the area where the

2844
01:52:32,950 --> 01:52:30,239
residual cube was

2845
01:52:34,229 --> 01:52:32,960
and they disappear off of our flear

2846
01:52:38,070 --> 01:52:34,239
their heat signature completely

2847
01:52:44,950 --> 01:52:41,669
the area that they disappeared

2848
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:44,960
is so sparse of vegetation that you can

2849
01:52:50,070 --> 01:52:48,000
see all the way to the top of the ridge

2850
01:52:52,470 --> 01:52:50,080
you cannot hide from flear equipment if

2851
01:52:54,229 --> 01:52:52,480
you've ever seen any footage from

2852
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:54,239
military police helicopters you just

2853
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:55,760
can't hide from it

2854
01:53:01,030 --> 01:52:58,800
these guys completely disappear it was

2855
01:53:03,350 --> 01:53:01,040
so startling that my uh

2856
01:53:06,070 --> 01:53:03,360
my flea operator actually says did they

2857
01:53:07,910 --> 01:53:06,080
just disappear

2858
01:53:09,669 --> 01:53:07,920
and the way it was described during our

2859
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:09,679
debriefing is the team that went in

2860
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:11,280
there said that they approached this

2861
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:12,400
area

2862
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:15,599
and walked right into it unimpeded no

2863
01:53:21,270 --> 01:53:17,920
briars no brambles no

2864
01:53:24,070 --> 01:53:21,280
nothing entangling them

2865
01:53:25,669 --> 01:53:24,080
and it was very dark almost like a

2866
01:53:30,470 --> 01:53:25,679
velvet curtain was around a

2867
01:53:34,470 --> 01:53:31,910
and they stayed in there a little bit

2868
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:34,480
where this uh this cube was of this box

2869
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:36,960
and turned around and they came out

2870
01:53:40,070 --> 01:53:38,880
now as they're coming out you can see on

2871
01:53:43,030 --> 01:53:40,080
the floor footage they

2872
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:43,040
reappear you know this is insane this is

2873
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:45,199
insane how cool is this

2874
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:48,480
what did they uh experience while they

2875
01:53:52,790 --> 01:53:50,560
were in there besides the darkness did

2876
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:52,800
they feel different

2877
01:53:55,910 --> 01:53:55,440
no they they said they felt the same

2878
01:53:57,350 --> 01:53:55,920
except

2879
01:53:59,109 --> 01:53:57,360
the environment was different it was

2880
01:54:03,669 --> 01:53:59,119
cold it was very

2881
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:03,679
dark and things that you would expect

2882
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:07,280
to be there like uh vines and

2883
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:08,960
brambles and things like that weren't

2884
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:10,400
present that

2885
01:54:17,669 --> 01:54:14,400
so so they stepped through uh

2886
01:54:20,709 --> 01:54:19,750
that's what it sounds like to me right

2887
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:20,719
or into some

2888
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:23,280
into some sort of augmented or changed

2889
01:54:28,229 --> 01:54:24,400
reality yeah

2890
01:54:31,669 --> 01:54:28,239
another dimension another parallel world

2891
01:54:34,950 --> 01:54:31,679
how how crazy is that wow

2892
01:54:37,589 --> 01:54:34,960
and we have it on film which as far as i

2893
01:54:41,109 --> 01:54:37,599
know is the first

2894
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:41,119
a stargate wow that is incredible

2895
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:44,159
um i wonder if uh

2896
01:54:49,270 --> 01:54:46,080
now how long did they think they were in

2897
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:49,280
there how long did jew

2898
01:54:55,270 --> 01:54:53,119
how long were they gone on the flear

2899
01:54:57,030 --> 01:54:55,280
uh i'd have to go back and and look at

2900
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:57,040
the the footage probably about

2901
01:55:00,149 --> 01:54:59,040
you know two minutes two minutes how

2902
01:55:02,310 --> 01:55:00,159
long did they think

2903
01:55:03,910 --> 01:55:02,320
they were in there about two minutes

2904
01:55:05,430 --> 01:55:03,920
about two minutes no

2905
01:55:07,030 --> 01:55:05,440
yeah and their their timepieces their

2906
01:55:07,990 --> 01:55:07,040
watches and all there was no missing

2907
01:55:09,430 --> 01:55:08,000
time

2908
01:55:11,350 --> 01:55:09,440
uh that's something we also you know

2909
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:11,360
watch for right and when they came

2910
01:55:15,750 --> 01:55:13,920
when they came back out of it all of a

2911
01:55:16,310 --> 01:55:15,760
sudden they're encountering these vines

2912
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:16,320
and these

2913
01:55:21,270 --> 01:55:19,440
sticker bushes and brambles and

2914
01:55:23,510 --> 01:55:21,280
briars and all of these things that

2915
01:55:25,109 --> 01:55:23,520
weren't there when they went in

2916
01:55:26,950 --> 01:55:25,119
so something changed it's like the

2917
01:55:30,070 --> 01:55:26,960
environment went back to what it was

2918
01:55:33,589 --> 01:55:30,080
prior to the cube did this did this ever

2919
01:55:36,070 --> 01:55:33,599
repeat did the box ever come back

2920
01:55:37,910 --> 01:55:36,080
yes we're gonna talk about that when we

2921
01:55:40,550 --> 01:55:37,920
come back i already knew the answer

2922
01:55:43,589 --> 01:55:40,560
but uh the box came back and when it

2923
01:55:46,229 --> 01:55:43,599
when it came back was it the same size

2924
01:55:48,550 --> 01:55:46,239
no i already knew the answer see i know

2925
01:55:49,430 --> 01:55:48,560
the right questions to ask how big was

2926
01:55:56,790 --> 01:55:49,440
it

2927
01:55:58,470 --> 01:55:56,800
uh

2928
01:56:00,550 --> 01:55:58,480
it was about three meters by three

2929
01:56:03,589 --> 01:56:00,560
meters by three meters so

2930
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:03,599
quite a bit smaller and um and as you're

2931
01:56:08,149 --> 01:56:04,639
researching

2932
01:56:10,629 --> 01:56:08,159
uh have you found other examples of

2933
01:56:12,310 --> 01:56:10,639
boxes like this and other research

2934
01:56:14,629 --> 01:56:12,320
around the world

2935
01:56:16,390 --> 01:56:14,639
absolutely see i knew the answer to that

2936
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:16,400
question too as well can we talk about

2937
01:56:20,149 --> 01:56:17,040
it

2938
01:56:23,669 --> 01:56:22,390
i'm reading your mind i have the box

2939
01:56:26,310 --> 01:56:23,679
here um

2940
01:56:26,870 --> 01:56:26,320
we're gonna take a break and the thing

2941
01:56:31,270 --> 01:56:26,880
is

2942
01:56:34,709 --> 01:56:31,280
evening because it didn't stop there

2943
01:56:37,510 --> 01:56:34,719
did it no no what i

2944
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:37,520
um is there a chance and i know it's you

2945
01:56:40,950 --> 01:56:39,280
know i'll keep it confidential but is

2946
01:56:41,589 --> 01:56:40,960
there a chance in the future i can come

2947
01:56:45,990 --> 01:56:41,599
out

2948
01:56:49,189 --> 01:56:46,000
for for a day and a night

2949
01:56:51,430 --> 01:56:49,199
yes oh uh i i wanted to ask you one uh

2950
01:56:52,550 --> 01:56:51,440
last quick question before we uh hit the

2951
01:56:53,750 --> 01:56:52,560
break

2952
01:56:56,550 --> 01:56:53,760
you're out there with a bunch of

2953
01:56:58,629 --> 01:56:56,560
equipment is uh

2954
01:57:01,189 --> 01:56:58,639
when you're out there measuring em or

2955
01:57:02,790 --> 01:57:01,199
you have your different multimeters and

2956
01:57:05,030 --> 01:57:02,800
and not only that but the flare and the

2957
01:57:05,750 --> 01:57:05,040
night vision and things if you go to an

2958
01:57:08,790 --> 01:57:05,760
adjacent

2959
01:57:11,589 --> 01:57:08,800
uh area out there

2960
01:57:12,629 --> 01:57:11,599
is is everything calmed down is it just

2961
01:57:16,550 --> 01:57:12,639
concentrated

2962
01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:19,589
uh yeah it seems to be you know uh kind

2963
01:57:22,709 --> 01:57:21,440
of concentrated there but there are

2964
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:22,719
other

2965
01:57:26,310 --> 01:57:24,880
things in this region you know this this

2966
01:57:27,750 --> 01:57:26,320
general area

2967
01:57:29,350 --> 01:57:27,760
where we've experienced some strange

2968
01:57:32,229 --> 01:57:29,360
stuff like i said the uh

2969
01:57:32,629 --> 01:57:32,239
the the the dark object that moved past

2970
01:57:36,310 --> 01:57:32,639
our

2971
01:57:38,310 --> 01:57:36,320
yeah it's uh

2972
01:57:40,470 --> 01:57:38,320
it's just a weird region you know it's

2973
01:57:42,709 --> 01:57:40,480
very creepy has a very

2974
01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:42,719
dark history you know going all the way

2975
01:57:46,950 --> 01:57:44,320
back to first nations

2976
01:57:48,950 --> 01:57:46,960
so it's uh and you know it could be that

2977
01:57:50,229 --> 01:57:48,960
that goes on everywhere in that area and

2978
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:50,239
the only reason that we

2979
01:57:53,910 --> 01:57:52,800
have focused on the meadow or or finding

2980
01:57:54,550 --> 01:57:53,920
it in the meadows that's where we're

2981
01:57:56,390 --> 01:57:54,560
focused

2982
01:57:58,310 --> 01:57:56,400
yeah that's right let's take our break

2983
01:58:01,589 --> 01:57:58,320
right here this is fade to black

2984
01:58:03,990 --> 01:58:01,599
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3086
02:02:22,070 --> 02:02:18,320
you want to know a secret i love

3087
02:02:23,990 --> 02:02:22,080
ponies i really love ponies i'm serious

3088
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3091
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3092
02:02:46,050 --> 02:02:38,800
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3093
02:02:56,229 --> 02:02:46,060
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[Music]

3095
02:03:00,149 --> 02:02:57,679
welcome back fade to black i'm here

3096
02:03:02,310 --> 02:03:00,159
jimmy church so i'm over in uh the

3097
02:03:06,870 --> 02:03:02,320
youtube chat during the break

3098
02:03:10,550 --> 02:03:06,880
and uh we are arguing about uh pizzas

3099
02:03:13,669 --> 02:03:10,560
what uh what everybody craves i i don't

3100
02:03:17,030 --> 02:03:13,679
understand uh trey i don't understand

3101
02:03:19,830 --> 02:03:17,040
this broad negativity

3102
02:03:22,550 --> 02:03:19,840
over hawaiian pizza i don't i don't get

3103
02:03:24,790 --> 02:03:22,560
it i don't get it are you cool with it

3104
02:03:27,669 --> 02:03:24,800
no it's a sulfurous turd shot from the

3105
02:03:30,790 --> 02:03:27,679
very ass of satan himself

3106
02:03:31,830 --> 02:03:30,800
and do you know it's not hawaiian are

3107
02:03:34,310 --> 02:03:31,840
you ready

3108
02:03:36,709 --> 02:03:34,320
it's it's canadian the canadians

3109
02:03:38,790 --> 02:03:36,719
invented that

3110
02:03:41,109 --> 02:03:38,800
so there you go you know and they gave

3111
02:03:44,149 --> 02:03:41,119
us celia sleepy on too i mean you know

3112
02:03:48,149 --> 02:03:44,159
yeah yeah but we did get wayne gretzky

3113
02:03:49,910 --> 02:03:48,159
we stole him from canada well right

3114
02:03:52,229 --> 02:03:49,920
they there you go they still haven't

3115
02:03:53,589 --> 02:03:52,239
forgiven us so they gave us hawaiian

3116
02:03:57,189 --> 02:03:53,599
pizza and revolt

3117
02:04:01,750 --> 02:03:57,199
so there you go that was a trudeau thing

3118
02:04:05,750 --> 02:04:01,760
so um back to this crazy night

3119
02:04:07,589 --> 02:04:05,760
um and uh i was looking over on twitter

3120
02:04:07,990 --> 02:04:07,599
and bill one of our administrators over

3121
02:04:10,870 --> 02:04:08,000
there

3122
02:04:11,270 --> 02:04:10,880
does a great job but he goes the p lady

3123
02:04:16,550 --> 02:04:11,280
is a

3124
02:04:18,229 --> 02:04:16,560
that sounds like a show in itself for

3125
02:04:21,750 --> 02:04:18,239
sure um okay so

3126
02:04:25,270 --> 02:04:21,760
back to uh uh the cube

3127
02:04:28,790 --> 02:04:25,280
which is which is extraordinary

3128
02:04:29,270 --> 02:04:28,800
and it's okay so let's what happened

3129
02:04:32,470 --> 02:04:29,280
next

3130
02:04:34,550 --> 02:04:32,480
after the cube well

3131
02:04:35,510 --> 02:04:34,560
as uh you know as we're filming this

3132
02:04:38,629 --> 02:04:35,520
cube

3133
02:04:40,629 --> 02:04:38,639
uh one of our flear operators who's

3134
02:04:43,270 --> 02:04:40,639
adjacent to the primary operator she

3135
02:04:46,310 --> 02:04:43,280
looks to her right

3136
02:04:48,950 --> 02:04:46,320
and she sees two figures

3137
02:04:49,990 --> 02:04:48,960
in a small cops of trees a small group

3138
02:04:53,270 --> 02:04:50,000
of trees maybe

3139
02:04:55,189 --> 02:04:53,280
40 yards 50 yards away from us and she

3140
02:04:57,430 --> 02:04:55,199
says who or what is that

3141
02:04:59,189 --> 02:04:57,440
and we get on the radio and ask for

3142
02:04:59,990 --> 02:04:59,199
identification and location of all the

3143
02:05:02,629 --> 02:05:00,000
team members

3144
02:05:03,990 --> 02:05:02,639
right it was this it was the same heat

3145
02:05:05,990 --> 02:05:04,000
signature

3146
02:05:07,750 --> 02:05:06,000
that we had seen earlier that was the

3147
02:05:08,229 --> 02:05:07,760
single heat signature that turned into

3148
02:05:11,510 --> 02:05:08,239
two

3149
02:05:13,510 --> 02:05:11,520
right right and uh

3150
02:05:15,990 --> 02:05:13,520
and then you know they faded away those

3151
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:16,000
two heat signatures faded away

3152
02:05:23,430 --> 02:05:20,800
so what we have is we have uh

3153
02:05:25,510 --> 02:05:23,440
heat signatures that appear to be for

3154
02:05:28,470 --> 02:05:25,520
the lack of a better term entities

3155
02:05:29,109 --> 02:05:28,480
you know something putting off heat we

3156
02:05:33,270 --> 02:05:29,119
have a

3157
02:05:36,069 --> 02:05:33,280
cube or box forming that

3158
02:05:38,149 --> 02:05:36,079
defies explanation in the fact that when

3159
02:05:40,149 --> 02:05:38,159
people go into the area where this thing

3160
02:05:41,830 --> 02:05:40,159
was they disappear their heat signatures

3161
02:05:43,350 --> 02:05:41,840
disappear

3162
02:05:44,950 --> 02:05:43,360
and then they reappear when they they

3163
02:05:46,870 --> 02:05:44,960
come back out

3164
02:05:49,109 --> 02:05:46,880
and then we have these two more heat

3165
02:05:52,550 --> 02:05:49,119
signatures that appear to be watching us

3166
02:05:55,189 --> 02:05:52,560
from a bit of a distance so

3167
02:05:56,390 --> 02:05:55,199
you know that was uh you know that was

3168
02:05:58,870 --> 02:05:56,400
going on

3169
02:06:01,990 --> 02:05:58,880
and at that time we had to make a

3170
02:06:05,510 --> 02:06:02,000
decision to continue to research

3171
02:06:08,950 --> 02:06:05,520
or to go back to our camp and

3172
02:06:11,430 --> 02:06:08,960
try to recount as much as we can

3173
02:06:13,109 --> 02:06:11,440
on a videotaped after action review or

3174
02:06:15,750 --> 02:06:13,119
debrief

3175
02:06:16,790 --> 02:06:15,760
for our posterity and something we also

3176
02:06:18,950 --> 02:06:16,800
wanted to do

3177
02:06:20,950 --> 02:06:18,960
is since you know there's a history of

3178
02:06:22,229 --> 02:06:20,960
electronic equipment going haywire in

3179
02:06:24,790 --> 02:06:22,239
these areas

3180
02:06:26,950 --> 02:06:24,800
we wanted to take the sd card out of the

3181
02:06:28,709 --> 02:06:26,960
flear equipment with this footage on it

3182
02:06:30,149 --> 02:06:28,719
and get it as far away from that

3183
02:06:33,589 --> 02:06:30,159
location as possible

3184
02:06:35,350 --> 02:06:33,599
and we actually uh took the sd cards out

3185
02:06:36,709 --> 02:06:35,360
put them in a foil pouch gave them one

3186
02:06:38,870 --> 02:06:36,719
of our team members he got on his

3187
02:06:39,589 --> 02:06:38,880
motorcycle and drove several hours back

3188
02:06:42,229 --> 02:06:39,599
to his home

3189
02:06:43,109 --> 02:06:42,239
and locked them up in a safe that night

3190
02:06:46,950 --> 02:06:43,119
now

3191
02:06:49,430 --> 02:06:46,960
it's one thing uh to have somebody at a

3192
02:06:51,990 --> 02:06:49,440
conference or come on this show

3193
02:06:52,550 --> 02:06:52,000
or tell a story around the campfire

3194
02:06:55,189 --> 02:06:52,560
right

3195
02:06:55,669 --> 02:06:55,199
that's one thing it's just a story it's

3196
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:55,679
fun

3197
02:07:01,430 --> 02:06:58,880
it's great you

3198
02:07:03,589 --> 02:07:01,440
are backing up all of the data you've

3199
02:07:06,069 --> 02:07:03,599
got the video you're shooting your

3200
02:07:06,790 --> 02:07:06,079
meters and you know you're locking down

3201
02:07:10,310 --> 02:07:06,800
everything

3202
02:07:11,589 --> 02:07:10,320
as it goes down so and i was watching

3203
02:07:14,790 --> 02:07:11,599
your presentation

3204
02:07:15,589 --> 02:07:14,800
and and your video evidence and and i

3205
02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:15,599
looked at

3206
02:07:18,950 --> 02:07:17,920
a lot of uh your photographs and things

3207
02:07:25,990 --> 02:07:18,960
that

3208
02:07:27,750 --> 02:07:26,000
backs up the testimony a lot like the

3209
02:07:28,709 --> 02:07:27,760
tic tac right the tic tac video is

3210
02:07:33,350 --> 02:07:28,719
worthless

3211
02:07:36,390 --> 02:07:33,360
that it's the testimony

3212
02:07:38,709 --> 02:07:36,400
that supports that video right

3213
02:07:41,109 --> 02:07:38,719
right absolutely and that's that's one

3214
02:07:44,550 --> 02:07:41,119
thing i'm very proud to say

3215
02:07:46,950 --> 02:07:44,560
is not only do we have a

3216
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:46,960
a multitude and extremeness of

3217
02:07:52,830 --> 02:07:49,920
experiences

3218
02:07:54,950 --> 02:07:52,840
we have a high quality of the

3219
02:07:56,629 --> 02:07:54,960
experiencers you know we have people

3220
02:07:59,910 --> 02:07:56,639
with advanced degrees

3221
02:08:01,830 --> 02:07:59,920
we have people in uh professions that

3222
02:08:03,669 --> 02:08:01,840
are used to dealing with crisis that are

3223
02:08:05,430 --> 02:08:03,679
used to making split-second decisions

3224
02:08:08,149 --> 02:08:05,440
that are life and death

3225
02:08:10,550 --> 02:08:08,159
and i have a stack of affidavits i have

3226
02:08:13,589 --> 02:08:10,560
video interviews with these people

3227
02:08:16,629 --> 02:08:13,599
so it's you know it's that magical uh

3228
02:08:17,830 --> 02:08:16,639
you know concoction of empirical data

3229
02:08:21,430 --> 02:08:17,840
you know

3230
02:08:23,109 --> 02:08:21,440
readings footage photographs

3231
02:08:25,030 --> 02:08:23,119
along with testimony and the

3232
02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:25,040
experiential nature of it so it's it's

3233
02:08:28,390 --> 02:08:27,760
it really makes a good combination that

3234
02:08:30,870 --> 02:08:28,400
i think

3235
02:08:32,069 --> 02:08:30,880
you know in my opinion lends you know a

3236
02:08:33,109 --> 02:08:32,079
lot of credence to what we're

3237
02:08:35,189 --> 02:08:33,119
experiencing

3238
02:08:36,870 --> 02:08:35,199
and the cool thing is it allows us to

3239
02:08:38,310 --> 02:08:36,880
share it with other people

3240
02:08:39,990 --> 02:08:38,320
and hopefully they find it as

3241
02:08:42,629 --> 02:08:40,000
interesting and

3242
02:08:44,550 --> 02:08:42,639
as enigmatic as we do now i'm fascinated

3243
02:08:47,990 --> 02:08:44,560
with this cube

3244
02:08:50,870 --> 02:08:48,000
and uh at the conference after

3245
02:08:51,990 --> 02:08:50,880
you and i were talking about the cubes

3246
02:08:54,229 --> 02:08:52,000
and the whole panel

3247
02:08:55,270 --> 02:08:54,239
actually started talking about cubes too

3248
02:08:57,669 --> 02:08:55,280
as well

3249
02:08:59,350 --> 02:08:57,679
um i had people coming up to the uh to

3250
02:09:01,430 --> 02:08:59,360
me in the conference

3251
02:09:03,030 --> 02:09:01,440
um saying that they had heard these same

3252
02:09:05,910 --> 02:09:03,040
references and they had their own

3253
02:09:07,830 --> 02:09:05,920
same experiences and like i said it

3254
02:09:10,310 --> 02:09:07,840
didn't stop at the big cube

3255
02:09:11,109 --> 02:09:10,320
there was uh this other smaller well

3256
02:09:15,430 --> 02:09:11,119
it's not

3257
02:09:16,229 --> 02:09:15,440
cube it's just smaller than the first

3258
02:09:19,189 --> 02:09:16,239
one

3259
02:09:19,750 --> 02:09:19,199
tell us about that the the the second

3260
02:09:24,149 --> 02:09:19,760
cube

3261
02:09:27,350 --> 02:09:24,159
incident right that was in april of 2018

3262
02:09:29,830 --> 02:09:27,360
uh we had decided to hike to a

3263
02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:29,840
similar meadow that was about seven

3264
02:09:31,589 --> 02:09:31,360
miles away and what we were trying to do

3265
02:09:36,790 --> 02:09:31,599
is

3266
02:09:40,390 --> 02:09:36,800
if it happened somewhere else

3267
02:09:40,950 --> 02:09:40,400
so uh we while we were hike hiked out to

3268
02:09:43,830 --> 02:09:40,960
this

3269
02:09:45,510 --> 02:09:43,840
area we had a another group of teams

3270
02:09:46,790 --> 02:09:45,520
that stayed back at our primary base

3271
02:09:49,510 --> 02:09:46,800
camp

3272
02:09:50,390 --> 02:09:49,520
and while one team was off exploring

3273
02:09:52,629 --> 02:09:50,400
this other meadow

3274
02:09:54,390 --> 02:09:52,639
two members of the team that stayed back

3275
02:09:56,069 --> 02:09:54,400
at base camp decided to hike out to the

3276
02:09:59,109 --> 02:09:56,079
meadow

3277
02:10:00,950 --> 02:09:59,119
and see what was going on themselves

3278
02:10:02,470 --> 02:10:00,960
you'll see if anything was happening and

3279
02:10:04,310 --> 02:10:02,480
when they got out there they found

3280
02:10:07,830 --> 02:10:04,320
something really amazing

3281
02:10:10,149 --> 02:10:07,840
they found a set of tracks and i want

3282
02:10:12,470 --> 02:10:10,159
i want you and your listeners to imagine

3283
02:10:15,830 --> 02:10:12,480
a set of tire tracks

3284
02:10:17,189 --> 02:10:15,840
in a field of grass about 12 or 18

3285
02:10:19,109 --> 02:10:17,199
inches tall

3286
02:10:20,390 --> 02:10:19,119
so you have two parallel you know ruts

3287
02:10:22,550 --> 02:10:20,400
if you will

3288
02:10:24,390 --> 02:10:22,560
but what makes it interesting is it's

3289
02:10:25,589 --> 02:10:24,400
almost as though something was dropped

3290
02:10:28,709 --> 02:10:25,599
into the field

3291
02:10:30,149 --> 02:10:28,719
traveled a distance and was lifted out

3292
02:10:32,229 --> 02:10:30,159
you know there's there was a distinct

3293
02:10:33,990 --> 02:10:32,239
beginning and a distinct end

3294
02:10:36,149 --> 02:10:34,000
and no way to get to that end or

3295
02:10:38,310 --> 02:10:36,159
beginning from anywhere else

3296
02:10:40,149 --> 02:10:38,320
the grass in these two tracks which were

3297
02:10:43,350 --> 02:10:40,159
probably

3298
02:10:46,149 --> 02:10:43,360
three four feet wide was compressed

3299
02:10:46,790 --> 02:10:46,159
it wasn't crushed it was laid over you

3300
02:10:49,990 --> 02:10:46,800
know

3301
02:10:53,270 --> 02:10:50,000
bent over not broken also

3302
02:10:55,589 --> 02:10:53,280
in the two tracks if you will

3303
02:10:57,030 --> 02:10:55,599
there were ant hills and mole hills that

3304
02:10:58,870 --> 02:10:57,040
were not compressed

3305
02:11:00,149 --> 02:10:58,880
there were small saplings little tiny

3306
02:11:04,709 --> 02:11:00,159
trees that were not

3307
02:11:09,830 --> 02:11:06,390
and there were no tread marks you know

3308
02:11:11,589 --> 02:11:09,840
there were no tire imprints

3309
02:11:13,030 --> 02:11:11,599
you start putting all that together what

3310
02:11:14,950 --> 02:11:13,040
do we have that's

3311
02:11:17,189 --> 02:11:14,960
you know been reported where grass has

3312
02:11:18,950 --> 02:11:17,199
been laid over

3313
02:11:21,189 --> 02:11:18,960
in an area where you've recorded

3314
02:11:22,790 --> 02:11:21,199
anomalous radiation

3315
02:11:25,910 --> 02:11:22,800
with no disturbance of the ground

3316
02:11:27,669 --> 02:11:25,920
features underneath crop circles

3317
02:11:29,669 --> 02:11:27,679
exactly except these were linear these

3318
02:11:33,430 --> 02:11:29,679
weren't circular

3319
02:11:35,030 --> 02:11:33,440
so uh the team came back reported this

3320
02:11:37,030 --> 02:11:35,040
two more team members went back out to

3321
02:11:37,990 --> 02:11:37,040
the meadow and this time they were

3322
02:11:40,709 --> 02:11:38,000
equipped with a

3323
02:11:42,470 --> 02:11:40,719
full spectrum camera that records uh

3324
02:11:44,310 --> 02:11:42,480
some light in the ultraviolet and the

3325
02:11:46,310 --> 02:11:44,320
infrared

3326
02:11:47,750 --> 02:11:46,320
and they noticed that when they stood in

3327
02:11:49,990 --> 02:11:47,760
this track

3328
02:11:52,629 --> 02:11:50,000
and pointed the camera down the track

3329
02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:52,639
they saw another cube that was visible

3330
02:11:56,310 --> 02:11:54,079
only through their uh

3331
02:11:58,069 --> 02:11:56,320
full spectrum camera and the cube was

3332
02:11:59,910 --> 02:11:58,079
about three meters by three meters by

3333
02:12:01,189 --> 02:11:59,920
three meters nine feet nine feet by nine

3334
02:12:02,629 --> 02:12:01,199
feet

3335
02:12:04,870 --> 02:12:02,639
and when they would step out of the

3336
02:12:06,390 --> 02:12:04,880
track and they would look to their

3337
02:12:07,750 --> 02:12:06,400
viewfinder it was gone

3338
02:12:10,790 --> 02:12:07,760
it was only visible when they were

3339
02:12:12,790 --> 02:12:10,800
standing in the track line

3340
02:12:14,629 --> 02:12:12,800
so they decided they were going to take

3341
02:12:16,790 --> 02:12:14,639
some photographs of this

3342
02:12:17,830 --> 02:12:16,800
brought the camera up to their face hit

3343
02:12:19,430 --> 02:12:17,840
the shutter button

3344
02:12:21,189 --> 02:12:19,440
and promptly got an error message that

3345
02:12:23,990 --> 02:12:21,199
they had forgotten to put the sd card in

3346
02:12:28,550 --> 02:12:25,750
so you know it's one of those things

3347
02:12:31,430 --> 02:12:28,560
where even seasoned researchers

3348
02:12:33,189 --> 02:12:31,440
make mistakes you know it happens and

3349
02:12:34,790 --> 02:12:33,199
unfortunately when they got the card

3350
02:12:35,510 --> 02:12:34,800
came back they were not able to

3351
02:12:38,229 --> 02:12:35,520
replicate

3352
02:12:39,510 --> 02:12:38,239
that but i do have the affidavits from

3353
02:12:41,510 --> 02:12:39,520
both of these guys

3354
02:12:43,830 --> 02:12:41,520
one is an electronics engineer you know

3355
02:12:46,149 --> 02:12:43,840
very smart educated guy

3356
02:12:47,589 --> 02:12:46,159
another fellow is a cryptid researcher

3357
02:12:48,870 --> 02:12:47,599
from the carolinas that's been doing

3358
02:12:52,149 --> 02:12:48,880
this stuff for years

3359
02:12:54,790 --> 02:12:52,159
so both very down-to-earth you know uh

3360
02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:54,800
reliable trustworthy witnesses on this

3361
02:12:59,589 --> 02:12:56,800
so it was another cube

3362
02:13:01,270 --> 02:12:59,599
you know in another part of the meadow

3363
02:13:03,189 --> 02:13:01,280
what's weird about that is where this

3364
02:13:05,430 --> 02:13:03,199
cube was

3365
02:13:06,950 --> 02:13:05,440
it was the same location that upon

3366
02:13:08,709 --> 02:13:06,960
review of some photographs that we had

3367
02:13:11,189 --> 02:13:08,719
taken the earlier year

3368
02:13:13,189 --> 02:13:11,199
it's the same area where it appeared

3369
02:13:15,669 --> 02:13:13,199
that some sort of cryptid was watching

3370
02:13:19,270 --> 02:13:15,679
us from the edge of the wood line

3371
02:13:20,709 --> 02:13:19,280
it was the same general location so

3372
02:13:22,870 --> 02:13:20,719
what do the boxes have to do with

3373
02:13:25,109 --> 02:13:22,880
cryptids i have no idea but it's just a

3374
02:13:27,350 --> 02:13:25,119
very interesting coincidence

3375
02:13:29,109 --> 02:13:27,360
uh that's happening right there you know

3376
02:13:30,069 --> 02:13:29,119
where this cube was and where this track

3377
02:13:32,709 --> 02:13:30,079
line was pointing

3378
02:13:34,790 --> 02:13:32,719
almost like an arrow to this uh this

3379
02:13:35,030 --> 02:13:34,800
strange cube that was only visible on

3380
02:13:37,189 --> 02:13:35,040
the

3381
02:13:38,870 --> 02:13:37,199
full spectrum camera and only between

3382
02:13:42,709 --> 02:13:38,880
the tracks

3383
02:13:46,950 --> 02:13:42,719
fascinating

3384
02:13:49,990 --> 02:13:46,960
and now uh i want to talk about bigfoot

3385
02:13:53,669 --> 02:13:50,000
and you just mentioned there um

3386
02:13:55,589 --> 02:13:53,679
i i think that there's uh well obviously

3387
02:13:55,990 --> 02:13:55,599
uh we haven't quite figured out bigfoot

3388
02:13:58,709 --> 02:13:56,000
yet

3389
02:14:00,390 --> 02:13:58,719
but if i'm gonna lean you know i've got

3390
02:14:02,390 --> 02:14:00,400
mine right here that's pretty cool

3391
02:14:04,149 --> 02:14:02,400
he's also trey's also wearing a fender

3392
02:14:06,550 --> 02:14:04,159
t-shirt he just sat

3393
02:14:07,510 --> 02:14:06,560
up and and showed me his fender t-shirt

3394
02:14:10,790 --> 02:14:07,520
that's pretty cool

3395
02:14:13,910 --> 02:14:10,800
um is that if i'm gonna lean

3396
02:14:17,510 --> 02:14:13,920
in a direction as crazy as it is

3397
02:14:19,189 --> 02:14:17,520
i'm thinking that bigfoot may be

3398
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:19,199
interdimensional and i know that we

3399
02:14:23,669 --> 02:14:20,639
talked about this uh

3400
02:14:26,550 --> 02:14:23,679
last week um but there are those

3401
02:14:27,030 --> 02:14:26,560
out there uh like yourself i believe

3402
02:14:30,709 --> 02:14:27,040
that

3403
02:14:34,950 --> 02:14:30,719
like real

3404
02:14:37,270 --> 02:14:34,960
right uh i don't know uh you know

3405
02:14:39,750 --> 02:14:37,280
let me okay well hold that hold that

3406
02:14:42,870 --> 02:14:39,760
note but the point is

3407
02:14:45,589 --> 02:14:42,880
that uh these cubes

3408
02:14:46,950 --> 02:14:45,599
and something cryptid showing up after

3409
02:14:50,310 --> 02:14:46,960
could these cubes be a

3410
02:14:53,990 --> 02:14:50,320
portal uh where uh

3411
02:14:56,709 --> 02:14:54,000
entities bigfoot cryptids are coming

3412
02:14:59,030 --> 02:14:56,719
and going from and therefore the lack of

3413
02:15:01,750 --> 02:14:59,040
evidence of them being there

3414
02:15:02,629 --> 02:15:01,760
physically is is dissipated and gone

3415
02:15:05,589 --> 02:15:02,639
because

3416
02:15:06,870 --> 02:15:05,599
they are using that as a as a door as a

3417
02:15:10,149 --> 02:15:06,880
portal

3418
02:15:11,990 --> 02:15:10,159
right is that a possibility sure it's a

3419
02:15:13,910 --> 02:15:12,000
possibility you know that the the thing

3420
02:15:15,270 --> 02:15:13,920
about all of this is we don't know we

3421
02:15:17,750 --> 02:15:15,280
don't have any

3422
02:15:19,669 --> 02:15:17,760
uh concrete answers uh so you know one

3423
02:15:21,589 --> 02:15:19,679
theory is just as valid as any other

3424
02:15:23,669 --> 02:15:21,599
theory but it is interesting to note you

3425
02:15:26,390 --> 02:15:23,679
talked about the absence of uh

3426
02:15:27,669 --> 02:15:26,400
your bodies absence of uh you know bones

3427
02:15:30,709 --> 02:15:27,679
we have

3428
02:15:34,069 --> 02:15:30,719
fossil evidence of gigantopithecus

3429
02:15:34,470 --> 02:15:34,079
okay the giant prehistoric ape we don't

3430
02:15:38,069 --> 02:15:34,480
have

3431
02:15:40,229 --> 02:15:38,079
any bones or remains of

3432
02:15:41,510 --> 02:15:40,239
north american sasquatch or southeastern

3433
02:15:45,350 --> 02:15:41,520
sasquatch

3434
02:15:47,910 --> 02:15:45,360
so what's happening i have seen videos

3435
02:15:49,109 --> 02:15:47,920
from a research organization in the

3436
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:49,119
carolinas where they

3437
02:15:56,310 --> 02:15:52,800
filmed on their flear a

3438
02:15:58,229 --> 02:15:56,320
hominid running through the forest

3439
02:15:59,750 --> 02:15:58,239
and it's fading in and out almost like

3440
02:16:01,510 --> 02:15:59,760
the predator

3441
02:16:03,109 --> 02:16:01,520
and it gets to a tree and as it goes

3442
02:16:04,629 --> 02:16:03,119
behind the tree it never comes to the

3443
02:16:07,830 --> 02:16:04,639
other side it disappears

3444
02:16:11,350 --> 02:16:07,840
that would be a hominoid yeah

3445
02:16:14,310 --> 02:16:11,360
that would be a hominoid um

3446
02:16:17,030 --> 02:16:14,320
yes you know i hear hominid in these

3447
02:16:18,950 --> 02:16:17,040
discussions like yourself i say it too

3448
02:16:20,470 --> 02:16:18,960
and i have to back up and say you know

3449
02:16:22,149 --> 02:16:20,480
no that i think that's evidence of a

3450
02:16:25,270 --> 02:16:22,159
hominoid

3451
02:16:26,470 --> 02:16:25,280
so yeah i'm i'm rewriting i i just

3452
02:16:31,950 --> 02:16:26,480
invented my own word

3453
02:16:33,110 --> 02:16:31,960
but um sasquatch is not just an

3454
02:16:35,190 --> 02:16:33,120
northwestern

3455
02:16:36,950 --> 02:16:35,200
phenomenon right in in northern

3456
02:16:39,669 --> 02:16:36,960
california in oregon and

3457
02:16:40,790 --> 02:16:39,679
in washington uh been seen all around

3458
02:16:43,270 --> 02:16:40,800
the world for sure

3459
02:16:44,549 --> 02:16:43,280
there's evidence of that but here in the

3460
02:16:47,270 --> 02:16:44,559
united states

3461
02:16:48,549 --> 02:16:47,280
uh sasquatch bigfoot whatever you want

3462
02:16:51,910 --> 02:16:48,559
to call it

3463
02:16:54,870 --> 02:16:51,920
is is seen in every state

3464
02:16:56,870 --> 02:16:54,880
yeah absolutely and it's interesting

3465
02:17:00,389 --> 02:16:56,880
that

3466
02:17:02,950 --> 02:17:00,399
sasquatch is you know not completely

3467
02:17:04,950 --> 02:17:02,960
devoid of paranormal happenings

3468
02:17:07,589 --> 02:17:04,960
and not completely devoid of a ufo

3469
02:17:09,750 --> 02:17:07,599
phenomena you know there seems to be

3470
02:17:10,870 --> 02:17:09,760
all of this is tied in and some of the

3471
02:17:13,910 --> 02:17:10,880
uh the better known

3472
02:17:14,629 --> 02:17:13,920
uh sasquatch researchers are actually

3473
02:17:16,790 --> 02:17:14,639
think

3474
02:17:18,150 --> 02:17:16,800
thankfully starting to come out and

3475
02:17:20,469 --> 02:17:18,160
admit that while they've been out

3476
02:17:23,190 --> 02:17:20,479
researching they've had paranormal

3477
02:17:24,549 --> 02:17:23,200
experiences they've experienced orbs

3478
02:17:26,469 --> 02:17:24,559
they've experienced strange

3479
02:17:28,070 --> 02:17:26,479
lights in the forest you know they have

3480
02:17:29,270 --> 02:17:28,080
experienced things that they can't

3481
02:17:31,830 --> 02:17:29,280
describe

3482
02:17:33,429 --> 02:17:31,840
and can't articulate in a way that could

3483
02:17:36,870 --> 02:17:33,439
be uh

3484
02:17:38,389 --> 02:17:36,880
explained by a large hairy monkey

3485
02:17:39,750 --> 02:17:38,399
creature running through the woods it

3486
02:17:40,950 --> 02:17:39,760
has to be something else there has to be

3487
02:17:44,389 --> 02:17:40,960
another dimension

3488
02:17:45,509 --> 02:17:44,399
into this phenomena and what about

3489
02:17:48,709 --> 02:17:45,519
bigfoot and

3490
02:17:52,150 --> 02:17:51,429
uh well this area is you know well known

3491
02:17:54,790 --> 02:17:52,160
for uh

3492
02:17:57,030 --> 02:17:54,800
sasquatch bigfoot type creatures we've

3493
02:18:00,709 --> 02:17:57,040
had the one photograph i told you about

3494
02:18:03,990 --> 02:18:00,719
we have another photograph on flear

3495
02:18:06,790 --> 02:18:04,000
of a large hulking figure

3496
02:18:08,709 --> 02:18:06,800
broad shoulders no neck standing you

3497
02:18:11,990 --> 02:18:08,719
know in the wood line

3498
02:18:14,790 --> 02:18:12,000
colder than its surroundings which seems

3499
02:18:15,429 --> 02:18:14,800
counterintuitive can't explain it but it

3500
02:18:18,629 --> 02:18:15,439
was a

3501
02:18:21,429 --> 02:18:18,639
large sasquatch looking figure uh

3502
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:21,439
we have had was that the image was that

3503
02:18:26,790 --> 02:18:22,399
the image that

3504
02:18:29,110 --> 02:18:26,800
you showed me yes sir that's uh that's

3505
02:18:30,469 --> 02:18:29,120
that's a tough one to just write off as

3506
02:18:34,150 --> 02:18:30,479
uh

3507
02:18:38,070 --> 02:18:34,160
as a debunker that is clearly

3508
02:18:41,270 --> 02:18:38,080
uh a a large

3509
02:18:43,509 --> 02:18:41,280
uh hominid upright uh

3510
02:18:44,549 --> 02:18:43,519
figure standing in the tree line i mean

3511
02:18:47,190 --> 02:18:44,559
it it's just

3512
02:18:49,270 --> 02:18:47,200
very very visible it's a very

3513
02:18:51,270 --> 02:18:49,280
interesting photograph

3514
02:18:53,830 --> 02:18:51,280
yeah yeah it's you know and we've so

3515
02:18:56,950 --> 02:18:53,840
we've had that and we've also had

3516
02:19:00,629 --> 02:18:56,960
uh our team members observe

3517
02:19:02,950 --> 02:19:00,639
some sort of hominid

3518
02:19:04,389 --> 02:19:02,960
watching us uh in the middle of the

3519
02:19:05,910 --> 02:19:04,399
night you know

3520
02:19:09,669 --> 02:19:05,920
at two o'clock in the morning he

3521
02:19:13,270 --> 02:19:11,509
human shaped figure you know head

3522
02:19:14,950 --> 02:19:13,280
shoulders arms

3523
02:19:16,309 --> 02:19:14,960
watching our camp which is interesting

3524
02:19:18,309 --> 02:19:16,319
because if you go back and look at the

3525
02:19:18,830 --> 02:19:18,319
history of this area there are reports

3526
02:19:21,750 --> 02:19:18,840
of a

3527
02:19:22,150 --> 02:19:21,760
white sasquatch type creature in this

3528
02:19:23,910 --> 02:19:22,160
area

3529
02:19:25,429 --> 02:19:23,920
these reports go back years and years

3530
02:19:26,870 --> 02:19:25,439
and years so

3531
02:19:29,110 --> 02:19:26,880
yes we've definitely you know

3532
02:19:30,950 --> 02:19:29,120
experienced uh sasquatch you can put

3533
02:19:33,110 --> 02:19:30,960
that into another uh

3534
02:19:34,230 --> 02:19:33,120
another category of strange experiences

3535
02:19:36,389 --> 02:19:34,240
out there at the meadow

3536
02:19:37,349 --> 02:19:36,399
is there anything that you can measure

3537
02:19:40,150 --> 02:19:37,359
that's going on

3538
02:19:40,950 --> 02:19:40,160
underground is there granite is there

3539
02:19:44,150 --> 02:19:40,960
quartz

3540
02:19:47,509 --> 02:19:44,160
is there water is there

3541
02:19:50,309 --> 02:19:47,519
something else that's measurable

3542
02:19:51,750 --> 02:19:50,319
there that could be attracting all of

3543
02:19:56,550 --> 02:19:51,760
this

3544
02:19:59,030 --> 02:19:56,560
caves and mines

3545
02:20:01,750 --> 02:19:59,040
you know it's it's just you know

3546
02:20:05,190 --> 02:20:01,760
littered with you know caves and mines

3547
02:20:07,990 --> 02:20:05,200
quartz is not out of the ordinary

3548
02:20:09,429 --> 02:20:08,000
i was talking to james keenan at the at

3549
02:20:12,070 --> 02:20:09,439
the conference and we were talking about

3550
02:20:14,230 --> 02:20:12,080
geomagnetic abnormalities

3551
02:20:15,110 --> 02:20:14,240
strangely enough this area does not have

3552
02:20:18,150 --> 02:20:15,120
a geomet

3553
02:20:19,670 --> 02:20:18,160
magnetic abnormality so that's uh that's

3554
02:20:21,030 --> 02:20:19,680
a little bit of an outlier in some of

3555
02:20:23,510 --> 02:20:21,040
these strange areas

3556
02:20:24,710 --> 02:20:23,520
but you know i i do want to get james

3557
02:20:26,070 --> 02:20:24,720
out there you know with some of his

3558
02:20:28,389 --> 02:20:26,080
experience and equipment

3559
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:28,399
and see if there's any subterranean

3560
02:20:33,270 --> 02:20:30,000
anomalies going on that perhaps

3561
02:20:37,190 --> 02:20:33,280
we could pinpoint now what about uh

3562
02:20:41,110 --> 02:20:37,200
the the indigenous folklore

3563
02:20:43,429 --> 02:20:41,120
and and stories over the years have they

3564
02:20:44,630 --> 02:20:43,439
also talked about this being a strange

3565
02:20:48,469 --> 02:20:44,640
area

3566
02:20:51,190 --> 02:20:48,479
no absolutely absolutely the uh

3567
02:20:52,950 --> 02:20:51,200
there this area is rich in history uh

3568
02:20:55,270 --> 02:20:52,960
you know not only pioneer history

3569
02:20:56,309 --> 02:20:55,280
you know but even back before that and

3570
02:20:59,429 --> 02:20:56,319
the indigenous

3571
02:21:00,950 --> 02:20:59,439
uh person you know people have stories

3572
02:21:03,190 --> 02:21:00,960
of witches

3573
02:21:04,230 --> 02:21:03,200
uh one particular witch that comes to

3574
02:21:08,950 --> 02:21:04,240
mind is one called

3575
02:21:12,790 --> 02:21:08,960
spear finger and she would lure children

3576
02:21:16,070 --> 02:21:12,800
and other people and eat their livers

3577
02:21:20,469 --> 02:21:16,080
and she uh could mesmerize people now

3578
02:21:23,830 --> 02:21:20,479
this is in the america southland but you

3579
02:21:25,910 --> 02:21:23,840
look at it maybe from the lens of what a

3580
02:21:27,349 --> 02:21:25,920
skinwalker is there are certain

3581
02:21:31,429 --> 02:21:27,359
similarities there

3582
02:21:35,990 --> 02:21:34,469
folklore of sasquatch large hairy men

3583
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:36,000
that lived in the forest

3584
02:21:42,309 --> 02:21:39,439
that would eat people so you know

3585
02:21:44,389 --> 02:21:42,319
there's a lot of uh a lot of data on

3586
02:21:47,590 --> 02:21:44,399
this area that goes back

3587
02:21:50,870 --> 02:21:47,600
you know before you know written history

3588
02:21:53,510 --> 02:21:50,880
now uh are there

3589
02:21:54,469 --> 02:21:53,520
when we talk about portals and vortexes

3590
02:21:57,670 --> 02:21:54,479
in specific

3591
02:22:00,790 --> 02:21:57,680
areas of do you

3592
02:22:03,030 --> 02:22:00,800
uh detect that do you feel it

3593
02:22:04,389 --> 02:22:03,040
in your person where you can walk into

3594
02:22:06,830 --> 02:22:04,399
an area and go okay right here

3595
02:22:08,070 --> 02:22:06,840
underneath my feet something strange is

3596
02:22:10,710 --> 02:22:08,080
happening

3597
02:22:11,190 --> 02:22:10,720
no i can't i'm not that intuitive i mean

3598
02:22:12,950 --> 02:22:11,200
and

3599
02:22:15,429 --> 02:22:12,960
nobody on my team has ever been able to

3600
02:22:17,030 --> 02:22:15,439
say okay i feel like this area

3601
02:22:18,950 --> 02:22:17,040
you know something's weird about it this

3602
02:22:20,870 --> 02:22:18,960
might be a portal you know the only way

3603
02:22:23,670 --> 02:22:20,880
we've been able to detect these things

3604
02:22:24,710 --> 02:22:23,680
is uh you know with our equipment now i

3605
02:22:28,790 --> 02:22:24,720
i think

3606
02:22:31,990 --> 02:22:28,800
uh have you have you guys uh

3607
02:22:35,349 --> 02:22:32,000
uh reported any

3608
02:22:37,190 --> 02:22:35,359
beings or entities or anything uh coming

3609
02:22:39,910 --> 02:22:37,200
in and out of a portal

3610
02:22:42,950 --> 02:22:39,920
when you say portal you know we are

3611
02:22:46,550 --> 02:22:42,960
talking about something very specific

3612
02:22:48,550 --> 02:22:46,560
right uh no

3613
02:22:51,429 --> 02:22:48,560
the only thing that we've ever actually

3614
02:22:55,510 --> 02:22:51,439
seen coming in or out of a portal

3615
02:22:57,590 --> 02:22:55,520
or vortex are our team members but

3616
02:22:59,750 --> 02:22:57,600
uh you know like if that's not strange

3617
02:23:02,230 --> 02:22:59,760
enough right

3618
02:23:04,630 --> 02:23:02,240
yeah i say that so matter of factly but

3619
02:23:06,950 --> 02:23:04,640
if you use occam's razor

3620
02:23:08,389 --> 02:23:06,960
okay we have these portals that our team

3621
02:23:11,030 --> 02:23:08,399
members went in and out of and

3622
02:23:13,110 --> 02:23:11,040
that same night we also had those

3623
02:23:16,150 --> 02:23:13,120
entities

3624
02:23:19,270 --> 02:23:16,160
uh watching us and observing us

3625
02:23:19,750 --> 02:23:19,280
so you know qed did they come from the

3626
02:23:23,349 --> 02:23:19,760
portal

3627
02:23:25,190 --> 02:23:23,359
perhaps have you guys used uh metal

3628
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:25,200
detectors

3629
02:23:28,710 --> 02:23:26,960
uh no we have not yeah i'm just

3630
02:23:30,070 --> 02:23:28,720
wondering what what else could be in

3631
02:23:33,429 --> 02:23:30,080
that field

3632
02:23:36,630 --> 02:23:33,439
uh in that meadow uh we have

3633
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:36,640
uh you know we have a couple of wars

3634
02:23:40,469 --> 02:23:38,960
that happen in the united states in that

3635
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:40,479
general area

3636
02:23:46,870 --> 02:23:44,640
and there could be something uh residual

3637
02:23:48,389 --> 02:23:46,880
uh that has been left over right and

3638
02:23:49,830 --> 02:23:48,399
that can't be out of the question too as

3639
02:23:51,750 --> 02:23:49,840
well

3640
02:23:53,110 --> 02:23:51,760
sure absolutely and that's that's a good

3641
02:23:55,830 --> 02:23:53,120
point because

3642
02:23:57,510 --> 02:23:55,840
you know the entities that we saw you

3643
02:23:59,590 --> 02:23:57,520
know if i was you know looking through

3644
02:24:01,910 --> 02:23:59,600
the optics of a paranormal investigator

3645
02:24:03,590 --> 02:24:01,920
i say well those are a ghost

3646
02:24:06,309 --> 02:24:03,600
or if i was looking at it through the

3647
02:24:08,389 --> 02:24:06,319
optics of a ufologist i'd say well you

3648
02:24:11,510 --> 02:24:08,399
know those are e.t

3649
02:24:12,790 --> 02:24:11,520
or if i was a you know metaphysicist

3650
02:24:15,670 --> 02:24:12,800
i would look at and say well those are

3651
02:24:19,030 --> 02:24:15,680
you know energy guides or you know my

3652
02:24:19,670 --> 02:24:19,040
you know my spirit guides yes spirit

3653
02:24:22,710 --> 02:24:19,680
guides

3654
02:24:24,630 --> 02:24:22,720
so you know these are just words these

3655
02:24:27,030 --> 02:24:24,640
are labels and maybe they're all labels

3656
02:24:29,910 --> 02:24:27,040
for the same phenomena

3657
02:24:31,670 --> 02:24:29,920
ultimately uh you know i have the same

3658
02:24:34,070 --> 02:24:31,680
general question

3659
02:24:35,030 --> 02:24:34,080
which is what the f is going on right i

3660
02:24:39,349 --> 02:24:35,040
mean what

3661
02:24:41,750 --> 02:24:39,359
what do you think is is uh the reason

3662
02:24:44,550 --> 02:24:41,760
for all of this the question is why you

3663
02:24:46,469 --> 02:24:44,560
know what do you think is going on

3664
02:24:48,230 --> 02:24:46,479
uh i wish i had the answer you know i

3665
02:24:48,950 --> 02:24:48,240
mean i have theories you know it could

3666
02:24:52,309 --> 02:24:48,960
be

3667
02:24:53,429 --> 02:24:52,319
a you know multi multiverse type of

3668
02:24:57,349 --> 02:24:53,439
thing where you have

3669
02:25:00,389 --> 02:24:57,359
universes existing almost parallel

3670
02:25:02,950 --> 02:25:00,399
and where the universe has become so

3671
02:25:04,630 --> 02:25:02,960
close together a a singularity is

3672
02:25:05,270 --> 02:25:04,640
created and things can move in and out

3673
02:25:08,469 --> 02:25:05,280
of this

3674
02:25:11,830 --> 02:25:08,479
or maybe a natural singularity happens

3675
02:25:14,389 --> 02:25:11,840
and some other race of beings

3676
02:25:15,110 --> 02:25:14,399
are able to stabilize it and use it for

3677
02:25:18,870 --> 02:25:15,120
whatever their

3678
02:25:21,510 --> 02:25:18,880
purposes are uh you know it could be

3679
02:25:22,550 --> 02:25:21,520
you know extraterrestrial you know

3680
02:25:25,270 --> 02:25:22,560
that's another

3681
02:25:25,750 --> 02:25:25,280
option the bottom line is we don't know

3682
02:25:27,830 --> 02:25:25,760
and

3683
02:25:29,190 --> 02:25:27,840
there's an analogy i like to use uh

3684
02:25:32,230 --> 02:25:29,200
about some ants

3685
02:25:34,870 --> 02:25:32,240
in a forest and imagine

3686
02:25:35,990 --> 02:25:34,880
some ants live in a forest going about

3687
02:25:38,790 --> 02:25:36,000
their little ant business

3688
02:25:40,230 --> 02:25:38,800
and the uh the parks and recreation

3689
02:25:41,270 --> 02:25:40,240
department decide to build a road

3690
02:25:42,309 --> 02:25:41,280
through the forest

3691
02:25:44,790 --> 02:25:42,319
so the ants are going about their

3692
02:25:45,830 --> 02:25:44,800
business they come upon this road

3693
02:25:48,070 --> 02:25:45,840
and they stand there and they're trying

3694
02:25:50,710 --> 02:25:48,080
to communicate with this road this this

3695
02:25:53,910 --> 02:25:53,349
and it doesn't communicate back they

3696
02:25:55,510 --> 02:25:53,920
have no

3697
02:25:57,510 --> 02:25:55,520
idea of what they're looking at they

3698
02:25:59,270 --> 02:25:57,520
can't even comprehend it

3699
02:26:01,270 --> 02:25:59,280
and maybe we're the ants in the forest

3700
02:26:04,230 --> 02:26:01,280
and we stumbled across

3701
02:26:05,990 --> 02:26:04,240
a ribbon of blacktop and we're slinging

3702
02:26:07,830 --> 02:26:06,000
pheromones at it trying to communicate

3703
02:26:09,670 --> 02:26:07,840
with it and we don't have the slightest

3704
02:26:11,910 --> 02:26:09,680
idea of what's going on

3705
02:26:14,550 --> 02:26:11,920
and we're just trying to you know to put

3706
02:26:16,630 --> 02:26:14,560
this this situation into our uh

3707
02:26:17,670 --> 02:26:16,640
our framework of understanding of our

3708
02:26:20,230 --> 02:26:17,680
world around us and

3709
02:26:21,110 --> 02:26:20,240
we might not even be close yeah one of

3710
02:26:23,590 --> 02:26:21,120
the things

3711
02:26:24,309 --> 02:26:23,600
trey that i have talked about on this

3712
02:26:26,950 --> 02:26:24,319
program

3713
02:26:29,349 --> 02:26:26,960
over the years and i it sounds like i'm

3714
02:26:31,349 --> 02:26:29,359
always repeating myself but it's very

3715
02:26:34,309 --> 02:26:31,359
very important

3716
02:26:35,990 --> 02:26:34,319
which is uh in the world of physics and

3717
02:26:39,110 --> 02:26:36,000
in the hard sciences

3718
02:26:42,309 --> 02:26:39,120
right now the research um

3719
02:26:45,590 --> 02:26:42,319
is uh showing us

3720
02:26:46,950 --> 02:26:45,600
evidence of uh you know the multiverse

3721
02:26:50,230 --> 02:26:46,960
parallel worlds

3722
02:26:54,070 --> 02:26:50,240
uh entanglement uh

3723
02:26:57,590 --> 02:26:54,080
multiple dimensions and these things

3724
02:27:00,870 --> 02:26:57,600
are constantly presented to us

3725
02:27:02,230 --> 02:27:00,880
without any evidence right this is

3726
02:27:04,070 --> 02:27:02,240
numbers that are

3727
02:27:05,590 --> 02:27:04,080
showing us and pointing us in that

3728
02:27:07,990 --> 02:27:05,600
equation

3729
02:27:09,270 --> 02:27:08,000
and i've talked about it a lot and and

3730
02:27:11,510 --> 02:27:09,280
then

3731
02:27:12,790 --> 02:27:11,520
in avi loeb's new book you know the

3732
02:27:14,870 --> 02:27:12,800
physicist from harvard

3733
02:27:16,150 --> 02:27:14,880
uh extraterrestrial that he released

3734
02:27:18,389 --> 02:27:16,160
about six months ago

3735
02:27:19,990 --> 02:27:18,399
he has a chapter in the book on this

3736
02:27:24,150 --> 02:27:20,000
exact subject

3737
02:27:25,830 --> 02:27:24,160
where he says my peers are saying

3738
02:27:28,070 --> 02:27:25,840
you know it's multiverse you know the

3739
02:27:29,510 --> 02:27:28,080
multiple dimensions parallel worlds

3740
02:27:32,790 --> 02:27:29,520
entanglement

3741
02:27:35,590 --> 02:27:32,800
and and and they want me

3742
02:27:37,830 --> 02:27:35,600
to go along with that but yet when it we

3743
02:27:40,150 --> 02:27:37,840
talk about other things

3744
02:27:41,030 --> 02:27:40,160
and all of the supernatural and

3745
02:27:44,070 --> 02:27:41,040
paranormal

3746
02:27:47,510 --> 02:27:44,080
and e.t visiting earth they

3747
02:27:50,230 --> 02:27:47,520
don't want to discuss that but we are

3748
02:27:52,550 --> 02:27:50,240
talking about the same things

3749
02:27:55,030 --> 02:27:52,560
right and you know and it's a really

3750
02:27:57,110 --> 02:27:55,040
great point by avi one that backs up

3751
02:27:59,110 --> 02:27:57,120
what i've been trying to say for years

3752
02:28:00,389 --> 02:27:59,120
and it's exactly what you're talking

3753
02:28:02,870 --> 02:28:00,399
about here

3754
02:28:04,950 --> 02:28:02,880
right science is saying that that is all

3755
02:28:07,030 --> 02:28:04,960
a possibility

3756
02:28:08,630 --> 02:28:07,040
well you know as the the great bard you

3757
02:28:10,230 --> 02:28:08,640
know put

3758
02:28:12,550 --> 02:28:10,240
as there's more to heaven and earth than

3759
02:28:14,070 --> 02:28:12,560
in your books horatio you know

3760
02:28:16,070 --> 02:28:14,080
how horrible to put yourself in an

3761
02:28:18,950 --> 02:28:16,080
intellectual box

3762
02:28:20,469 --> 02:28:18,960
but yet you know it's done every day so

3763
02:28:21,910 --> 02:28:20,479
what's next for you

3764
02:28:23,990 --> 02:28:21,920
what's next i know you've got a lot of

3765
02:28:25,670 --> 02:28:24,000
work to do out there but uh what's next

3766
02:28:28,950 --> 02:28:25,680
are you guys heading out there like

3767
02:28:30,950 --> 02:28:28,960
this weekend no not this weekend we are

3768
02:28:31,990 --> 02:28:30,960
trying to clear our schedule to get out

3769
02:28:33,910 --> 02:28:32,000
there next month

3770
02:28:35,349 --> 02:28:33,920
okay we are going to try to get an

3771
02:28:37,190 --> 02:28:35,359
expedition out here

3772
02:28:38,469 --> 02:28:37,200
soon we try to get out there as often as

3773
02:28:41,349 --> 02:28:38,479
we can

3774
02:28:43,990 --> 02:28:41,359
and what's next is we will continue

3775
02:28:45,670 --> 02:28:44,000
researching this amazing location

3776
02:28:48,950 --> 02:28:45,680
as long as we're able to you know as

3777
02:28:51,990 --> 02:28:48,960
long as we can keep the uh the location

3778
02:28:54,070 --> 02:28:52,000
reasonably secure and we can investigate

3779
02:28:56,710 --> 02:28:54,080
and research

3780
02:28:58,469 --> 02:28:56,720
unhampered and unencumbered we will

3781
02:29:00,150 --> 02:28:58,479
continue to uh

3782
02:29:01,910 --> 02:29:00,160
try to figure out the answer to this

3783
02:29:03,910 --> 02:29:01,920
amazing place and these uh

3784
02:29:05,750 --> 02:29:03,920
somewhat amazing questions man i got to

3785
02:29:07,190 --> 02:29:05,760
get out there and see the cube

3786
02:29:09,510 --> 02:29:07,200
i got to get out there and hang out with

3787
02:29:11,190 --> 02:29:09,520
trey hudson you know i i

3788
02:29:12,870 --> 02:29:11,200
i got to meet a couple of your team

3789
02:29:16,070 --> 02:29:12,880
members last week uh

3790
02:29:19,670 --> 02:29:16,080
and i got a man so enthusiastic man

3791
02:29:24,950 --> 02:29:22,550
and i i i just i just have to get out

3792
02:29:27,590 --> 02:29:24,960
there i want to experience it for myself

3793
02:29:29,590 --> 02:29:27,600
thank you so much trey your your work uh

3794
02:29:30,950 --> 02:29:29,600
speaks for itself the book is amazing

3795
02:29:33,150 --> 02:29:30,960
the metal project

3796
02:29:34,469 --> 02:29:33,160
and the links for that are over at

3797
02:29:37,429 --> 02:29:34,479
jimmychurchradio.com

3798
02:29:39,030 --> 02:29:37,439
i'm excited uh to uh uh your next

3799
02:29:40,710 --> 02:29:39,040
appearance here on fade to black i know

3800
02:29:41,510 --> 02:29:40,720
that there's gonna be more stuff coming

3801
02:29:43,590 --> 02:29:41,520
out

3802
02:29:46,309 --> 02:29:43,600
and uh let's go do this man let's find

3803
02:29:47,590 --> 02:29:46,319
some answers thank you so much trey

3804
02:29:49,429 --> 02:29:47,600
thank you for having me it's been a

3805
02:29:51,270 --> 02:29:49,439
pleasure and an honor you're the best

3806
02:29:54,870 --> 02:29:51,280
trey thank you so much man

3807
02:29:57,270 --> 02:29:54,880
now uh go go uh i need to i need to

3808
02:29:59,190 --> 02:29:57,280
i need some cube i need some cube in my

3809
02:30:01,990 --> 02:29:59,200
life go play your guitar

3810
02:30:03,750 --> 02:30:02,000
trey hudson what a great conversation i

3811
02:30:06,070 --> 02:30:03,760
am your host jimmy church

3812
02:30:07,750 --> 02:30:06,080
i'm going to take a quick break and i'll

3813
02:30:08,710 --> 02:30:07,760
open up the phones when i come back and

3814
02:30:11,190 --> 02:30:08,720
i want to hear

3815
02:30:14,030 --> 02:30:11,200
what all of you uh think about the

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02:30:19,500 --> 02:30:16,830
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02:30:33,990 --> 02:30:19,510
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3887
02:33:46,830 --> 02:33:39,670
it's not a lifestyle we chose we were

3888
02:34:05,290 --> 02:33:48,950
kgraradio.com

3889
02:34:18,870 --> 02:34:14,389
[Music]

3890
02:34:21,270 --> 02:34:18,880
thank you dre hudson the meadow

3891
02:34:23,110 --> 02:34:21,280
man that sounds like such a fun place

3892
02:34:24,870 --> 02:34:23,120
such a fun place i love going to

3893
02:34:27,670 --> 02:34:24,880
locations like that and

3894
02:34:29,590 --> 02:34:27,680
i didn't even get into fairies i wanted

3895
02:34:32,309 --> 02:34:29,600
to do the fairy conversation

3896
02:34:34,469 --> 02:34:32,319
we didn't talk about the orbs that they

3897
02:34:37,110 --> 02:34:34,479
are seeing out there which is also

3898
02:34:38,870 --> 02:34:37,120
another incredible thing too much going

3899
02:34:41,750 --> 02:34:38,880
on out there way too much to uh

3900
02:34:43,429 --> 02:34:41,760
try to get into one show tonight but uh

3901
02:34:46,150 --> 02:34:43,439
i can't wait to have trey back

3902
02:34:47,830 --> 02:34:46,160
it's uh it's an amazing place things are

3903
02:34:49,030 --> 02:34:47,840
going down out there i've opened up the

3904
02:34:51,110 --> 02:34:49,040
phone lines

3905
02:34:52,870 --> 02:34:51,120
seven four seven two two eight two zero

3906
02:34:54,950 --> 02:34:52,880
five one i'm putting this call

3907
02:34:55,990 --> 02:34:54,960
on hold so you're gonna get some hold

3908
02:34:59,190 --> 02:34:56,000
music

3909
02:35:02,630 --> 02:34:59,200
and uh that's going on there um

3910
02:35:04,870 --> 02:35:02,640
but uh yeah it is very

3911
02:35:06,870 --> 02:35:04,880
very very interesting i watched the

3912
02:35:08,950 --> 02:35:06,880
video evidence and

3913
02:35:10,389 --> 02:35:08,960
and things throughout his presentation

3914
02:35:12,550 --> 02:35:10,399
and that's the part

3915
02:35:13,670 --> 02:35:12,560
that i wanted to emphasize tonight with

3916
02:35:15,670 --> 02:35:13,680
trey

3917
02:35:16,790 --> 02:35:15,680
it's one thing to share the stories and

3918
02:35:19,910 --> 02:35:16,800
those are great

3919
02:35:20,550 --> 02:35:19,920
no question about it but when you line

3920
02:35:24,469 --> 02:35:20,560
everything

3921
02:35:27,670 --> 02:35:24,479
documenting

3922
02:35:30,150 --> 02:35:27,680
every step of the way um is

3923
02:35:31,349 --> 02:35:30,160
is it's just supports everything back

3924
02:35:33,429 --> 02:35:31,359
and forth it's it's

3925
02:35:35,270 --> 02:35:33,439
you know these are incredible events but

3926
02:35:38,230 --> 02:35:35,280
he's got this stuff

3927
02:35:38,710 --> 02:35:38,240
uh on videotape and the flear images

3928
02:35:43,190 --> 02:35:38,720
it's

3929
02:35:44,309 --> 02:35:43,200
meadow and the book is the meadow

3930
02:35:46,590 --> 02:35:44,319
project

3931
02:35:48,469 --> 02:35:46,600
and uh the links are over at

3932
02:35:49,190 --> 02:35:48,479
jimmychurchradio.com i was talking to a

3933
02:35:52,309 --> 02:35:49,200
couple of uh

3934
02:35:55,190 --> 02:35:52,319
his team members uh that were there and

3935
02:35:57,270 --> 02:35:55,200
the excitement uh but their own

3936
02:35:58,870 --> 02:35:57,280
that they have but their own personal

3937
02:36:01,590 --> 02:35:58,880
experiences

3938
02:36:03,030 --> 02:36:01,600
uh that they have gone through and uh

3939
02:36:05,990 --> 02:36:03,040
which is great

3940
02:36:07,110 --> 02:36:06,000
but they also told me that over and over

3941
02:36:10,630 --> 02:36:07,120
again

3942
02:36:14,070 --> 02:36:10,640
um that everything is so methodical

3943
02:36:15,670 --> 02:36:14,080
uh the teams the locations uh what uh

3944
02:36:17,270 --> 02:36:15,680
trey was saying tonight where

3945
02:36:18,870 --> 02:36:17,280
they would find something on flair or

3946
02:36:20,630 --> 02:36:18,880
they would see something um

3947
02:36:22,309 --> 02:36:20,640
in night vision the first thing they do

3948
02:36:24,469 --> 02:36:22,319
is is go back

3949
02:36:25,990 --> 02:36:24,479
and and confirm that everybody is at

3950
02:36:28,710 --> 02:36:26,000
their location so that they're not

3951
02:36:30,150 --> 02:36:28,720
filming themselves and i was talking to

3952
02:36:32,469 --> 02:36:30,160
the team members about that they were

3953
02:36:33,550 --> 02:36:32,479
saying man that's exactly how it goes

3954
02:36:36,630 --> 02:36:33,560
down

3955
02:36:39,590 --> 02:36:36,640
everybody is in their

3956
02:36:40,230 --> 02:36:39,600
position and uh it was great it was

3957
02:36:42,389 --> 02:36:40,240
great to

3958
02:36:44,389 --> 02:36:42,399
hear from the team members directly so

3959
02:36:47,590 --> 02:36:44,399
something is going on out there

3960
02:36:50,150 --> 02:36:47,600
um the location again um it's not that

3961
02:36:53,510 --> 02:36:50,160
he wants to keep it to himself

3962
02:36:55,990 --> 02:36:53,520
um but uh they

3963
02:36:57,030 --> 02:36:56,000
uh haven't have invested years of

3964
02:37:00,150 --> 02:36:57,040
research out there

3965
02:37:03,030 --> 02:37:00,160
and they want that to continue and

3966
02:37:05,910 --> 02:37:03,040
you know having you know 50 people show

3967
02:37:07,910 --> 02:37:05,920
up in rvs wanting to see orbs and go out

3968
02:37:09,510 --> 02:37:07,920
there with their lawn chairs and

3969
02:37:12,150 --> 02:37:09,520
with their night vision cameras all

3970
02:37:13,910 --> 02:37:12,160
night that will really hamper what

3971
02:37:17,190 --> 02:37:13,920
they're trying to do out there

3972
02:37:21,349 --> 02:37:17,200
so for now uh he wants

3973
02:37:24,389 --> 02:37:21,359
and needs to keep the location

3974
02:37:25,429 --> 02:37:24,399
uh private for now and uh and i know

3975
02:37:27,750 --> 02:37:25,439
it's on public land

3976
02:37:29,750 --> 02:37:27,760
you know it's a it's a nature reserve so

3977
02:37:33,349 --> 02:37:29,760
there's that part of it too as well

3978
02:37:36,870 --> 02:37:33,359
um so uh wow wow it's uh

3979
02:37:40,230 --> 02:37:36,880
it's really really cool okay seven four

3980
02:37:42,950 --> 02:37:40,240
seven two two eight two zero five

3981
02:37:43,910 --> 02:37:42,960
one who's on hold longer here let's go

3982
02:37:47,030 --> 02:37:43,920
here

3983
02:37:50,630 --> 02:37:47,040
um seven four seven two two eight

3984
02:37:52,150 --> 02:37:50,640
two zero five one and let's see who was

3985
02:37:54,150 --> 02:37:52,160
up first hi you're live on fade to black

3986
02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:54,160
who's calling

3987
02:37:59,590 --> 02:37:56,479
good evening jimmy it's mike in montana

3988
02:38:02,389 --> 02:37:59,600
hi mike from montana how are you man

3989
02:38:04,469 --> 02:38:02,399
pretty good i was just so curious what

3990
02:38:06,710 --> 02:38:04,479
happened to the woman

3991
02:38:08,309 --> 02:38:06,720
uh that kind of that part of the story

3992
02:38:12,230 --> 02:38:08,319
just kind of faded out there

3993
02:38:14,870 --> 02:38:12,240
yeah it did it faded to black uh yeah i

3994
02:38:15,830 --> 02:38:14,880
there's so much there was uh and as you

3995
02:38:19,030 --> 02:38:15,840
noticed uh

3996
02:38:21,030 --> 02:38:19,040
that was uh an evening of uh

3997
02:38:24,309 --> 02:38:21,040
some pretty incredible wanted to get all

3998
02:38:27,270 --> 02:38:24,319
of the paranormal in but you're right

3999
02:38:28,469 --> 02:38:27,280
uh what happened to the woman that's the

4000
02:38:29,429 --> 02:38:28,479
first time i heard that part of the

4001
02:38:31,270 --> 02:38:29,439
story

4002
02:38:33,830 --> 02:38:31,280
uh that part of the evening and that

4003
02:38:36,950 --> 02:38:33,840
caught me by surprise too as well

4004
02:38:40,070 --> 02:38:36,960
yeah maybe she got her black

4005
02:38:43,110 --> 02:38:40,080
she got in her black sedan and

4006
02:38:45,030 --> 02:38:43,120
drove away her men in black sedan yeah

4007
02:38:48,150 --> 02:38:45,040
that isn't that crazy

4008
02:38:50,309 --> 02:38:48,160
you know she's in business yeah yeah no

4009
02:38:52,870 --> 02:38:50,319
that was a lot strange

4010
02:38:53,670 --> 02:38:52,880
and uh when you come off of an evening

4011
02:38:55,830 --> 02:38:53,680
like that with

4012
02:38:57,670 --> 02:38:55,840
everything that's going down right the

4013
02:39:00,389 --> 02:38:57,680
uh the cube

4014
02:39:00,950 --> 02:39:00,399
and everything that is happening and

4015
02:39:03,990 --> 02:39:00,960
then

4016
02:39:05,990 --> 02:39:04,000
that occurs that's pretty strange

4017
02:39:08,710 --> 02:39:06,000
that's pretty strange what do you think

4018
02:39:09,030 --> 02:39:08,720
um i know i tweeted this out but i had

4019
02:39:12,469 --> 02:39:09,040
to

4020
02:39:15,910 --> 02:39:12,479
monkey bears what what does that even

4021
02:39:17,910 --> 02:39:15,920
mean i had no idea

4022
02:39:19,349 --> 02:39:17,920
it's just as strange as the woman

4023
02:39:21,590 --> 02:39:19,359
showing up in the middle of the night

4024
02:39:24,070 --> 02:39:21,600
out in the middle of nowhere i mean

4025
02:39:25,429 --> 02:39:24,080
for real i have uh i've seen the

4026
02:39:28,870 --> 02:39:25,439
satellite images

4027
02:39:33,510 --> 02:39:28,880
uh from far away and some that were

4028
02:39:37,429 --> 02:39:33,520
uh closer and uh it's remote man

4029
02:39:39,190 --> 02:39:37,439
it's remote so for somebody to find them

4030
02:39:41,190 --> 02:39:39,200
and go through that and know that they

4031
02:39:44,550 --> 02:39:41,200
were there uh

4032
02:39:46,870 --> 02:39:44,560
is is pretty crazy

4033
02:39:47,990 --> 02:39:46,880
it just makes your mind wander doesn't

4034
02:39:50,630 --> 02:39:48,000
it i mean wait what

4035
02:39:52,230 --> 02:39:50,640
what what the heck is going on with that

4036
02:39:53,910 --> 02:39:52,240
it doesn't make any sense

4037
02:39:55,270 --> 02:39:53,920
and then all of a sudden she's just got

4038
02:39:58,550 --> 02:39:55,280
to pee

4039
02:40:00,389 --> 02:39:58,560
in front of everybody

4040
02:40:02,230 --> 02:40:00,399
right that's strange yeah it is well

4041
02:40:05,110 --> 02:40:02,240
look if you find out what happened

4042
02:40:06,950 --> 02:40:05,120
or uh could you do an update on that i

4043
02:40:09,830 --> 02:40:06,960
sure will i'll i'll get a hold of

4044
02:40:11,349 --> 02:40:09,840
trey uh and i'll i'll i'll i'll have

4045
02:40:12,070 --> 02:40:11,359
that for you tomorrow on the show for

4046
02:40:14,230 --> 02:40:12,080
sure

4047
02:40:15,750 --> 02:40:14,240
thank you so much i appreciate it jimmy

4048
02:40:17,429 --> 02:40:15,760
thanks enjoy your night

4049
02:40:18,870 --> 02:40:17,439
that's a great phone call yeah what

4050
02:40:23,750 --> 02:40:18,880
happened

4051
02:40:27,429 --> 02:40:26,230
is that what we're gonna do now is is

4052
02:40:30,469 --> 02:40:27,439
she gonna be known as

4053
02:40:32,790 --> 02:40:30,479
as as the p lady um

4054
02:40:34,150 --> 02:40:32,800
oh oh oh oh uh before i get back to the

4055
02:40:37,110 --> 02:40:34,160
phone calls

4056
02:40:37,910 --> 02:40:37,120
i gotta say trey's really cool uh and

4057
02:40:40,070 --> 02:40:37,920
you can

4058
02:40:42,309 --> 02:40:40,080
when you look at him he means business

4059
02:40:44,790 --> 02:40:42,319
yeah and it's not

4060
02:40:47,349 --> 02:40:44,800
uh you know the security aspect i'm just

4061
02:40:50,389 --> 02:40:47,359
saying this is a guy that's on a mission

4062
02:40:52,389 --> 02:40:50,399
he's he's got his thing and he is going

4063
02:40:53,750 --> 02:40:52,399
to get it done he's going to be very

4064
02:40:55,349 --> 02:40:53,760
serious about it

4065
02:40:56,950 --> 02:40:55,359
that's that part of trade but he's also

4066
02:41:00,230 --> 02:40:56,960
really funny

4067
02:41:04,309 --> 02:41:00,240
when he said tonight to toot

4068
02:41:07,990 --> 02:41:07,030
i'm stealing that i'm so stealing that

4069
02:41:13,510 --> 02:41:08,000
in the i'm going to do

4070
02:41:15,590 --> 02:41:13,520
two toot the probe train t-shirts

4071
02:41:18,230 --> 02:41:15,600
that is amazing oh uh before i get back

4072
02:41:21,590 --> 02:41:18,240
to the phone calls i was gifted

4073
02:41:22,150 --> 02:41:21,600
uh a lot of stuff uh from the fader

4074
02:41:26,309 --> 02:41:22,160
knots

4075
02:41:28,150 --> 02:41:26,319
uh when i was in uh laughlin

4076
02:41:29,990 --> 02:41:28,160
and tomorrow night on the show i've got

4077
02:41:32,790 --> 02:41:30,000
everything uh stacked up

4078
02:41:33,750 --> 02:41:32,800
over here and i'm gonna go through that

4079
02:41:36,150 --> 02:41:33,760
with everybody

4080
02:41:37,030 --> 02:41:36,160
and and uh show you what i was gifted

4081
02:41:40,150 --> 02:41:37,040
but

4082
02:41:41,190 --> 02:41:40,160
some of it was just absolutely uh not

4083
02:41:44,389 --> 02:41:41,200
only

4084
02:41:46,389 --> 02:41:44,399
cool but there's an emotional attachment

4085
02:41:48,469 --> 02:41:46,399
to all of the stuff where

4086
02:41:50,389 --> 02:41:48,479
um you know if you're gifted uh

4087
02:41:51,349 --> 02:41:50,399
something from somebody it means a lot

4088
02:41:55,110 --> 02:41:51,359
to them

4089
02:41:57,510 --> 02:41:55,120
and then you check it out and wow right

4090
02:41:59,429 --> 02:41:57,520
and rodney i hope that you're listening

4091
02:42:02,710 --> 02:41:59,439
right now i cannot wait

4092
02:42:03,510 --> 02:42:02,720
to show everybody uh what uh what you

4093
02:42:05,030 --> 02:42:03,520
gifted me

4094
02:42:07,030 --> 02:42:05,040
it's uh it's really cool it's right over

4095
02:42:09,349 --> 02:42:07,040
there too as well so

4096
02:42:10,469 --> 02:42:09,359
uh i can't say anything else let's go

4097
02:42:11,910 --> 02:42:10,479
back to the phones

4098
02:42:13,990 --> 02:42:11,920
hi you're live on fade to block who's

4099
02:42:16,230 --> 02:42:14,000
calling

4100
02:42:17,830 --> 02:42:16,240
hey jimmy this is steve slightly slanted

4101
02:42:19,030 --> 02:42:17,840
sleuth again how are you doing hey man

4102
02:42:21,110 --> 02:42:19,040
how were you doing

4103
02:42:23,590 --> 02:42:21,120
how was uh pretty good how was uh

4104
02:42:26,389 --> 02:42:23,600
youtube tonight

4105
02:42:27,910 --> 02:42:26,399
pretty cool i mean as usual you know it

4106
02:42:31,190 --> 02:42:27,920
depends on what you pay attention to

4107
02:42:35,110 --> 02:42:31,200
right uh i i it goes by so

4108
02:42:38,309 --> 02:42:35,120
fast uh i'm over there now

4109
02:42:40,710 --> 02:42:38,319
and man man man

4110
02:42:43,030 --> 02:42:40,720
about that woman she drove away and trey

4111
02:42:45,269 --> 02:42:43,040
ended up chasing her

4112
02:42:46,469 --> 02:42:45,279
later but left that didn't want to push

4113
02:42:48,150 --> 02:42:46,479
that out into the public

4114
02:42:50,230 --> 02:42:48,160
something like that and that's from

4115
02:42:51,830 --> 02:42:50,240
blair okay blair says

4116
02:42:54,550 --> 02:42:51,840
this is uh going back to mike and

4117
02:42:57,910 --> 02:42:54,560
montana blair says

4118
02:43:01,030 --> 02:42:57,920
about the woman she drove away and

4119
02:43:04,389 --> 02:43:01,040
trey ended up chasing her up

4120
02:43:08,389 --> 02:43:04,399
later but left at but

4121
02:43:09,910 --> 02:43:08,399
left at that didn't want to push it out

4122
02:43:11,830 --> 02:43:09,920
into the public

4123
02:43:13,429 --> 02:43:11,840
and then she followed that up with uh

4124
02:43:14,070 --> 02:43:13,439
something like that thank you for that

4125
02:43:17,190 --> 02:43:14,080
blair

4126
02:43:20,870 --> 02:43:17,200
that's

4127
02:43:23,990 --> 02:43:20,880
and twitter too as well

4128
02:43:27,030 --> 02:43:24,000
but uh very smart audience and

4129
02:43:29,190 --> 02:43:27,040
uh i love it as everybody uh

4130
02:43:31,750 --> 02:43:29,200
can contribute their little slice to the

4131
02:43:33,510 --> 02:43:31,760
pie but uh yeah what a crazy night what

4132
02:43:34,830 --> 02:43:33,520
a crazy night what a crazy night what

4133
02:43:36,710 --> 02:43:34,840
did you think what do you think of the

4134
02:43:39,830 --> 02:43:36,720
meadow

4135
02:43:41,990 --> 02:43:39,840
well it's it's uh it's an anomaly that's

4136
02:43:42,309 --> 02:43:42,000
for sure i think that uh those places

4137
02:43:44,870 --> 02:43:42,319
are

4138
02:43:45,750 --> 02:43:44,880
all over our planet and uh you know the

4139
02:43:48,790 --> 02:43:45,760
the ancients

4140
02:43:51,030 --> 02:43:48,800
used to use like stone engine

4141
02:43:53,110 --> 02:43:51,040
and certain like anchor watt and places

4142
02:43:54,469 --> 02:43:53,120
like that as nexus points or nodal

4143
02:43:57,510 --> 02:43:54,479
points for

4144
02:44:00,790 --> 02:43:57,520
spiritual purposes or for our

4145
02:44:03,269 --> 02:44:00,800
uh uh ties to the to the

4146
02:44:04,870 --> 02:44:03,279
cosmos if you will yeah i i totally

4147
02:44:07,990 --> 02:44:04,880
agree with you steve

4148
02:44:08,710 --> 02:44:08,000
um wow well uh we're gonna take all of

4149
02:44:10,469 --> 02:44:08,720
this

4150
02:44:12,150 --> 02:44:10,479
i got one question though jimmy uh did

4151
02:44:14,710 --> 02:44:12,160
you look at that video

4152
02:44:16,469 --> 02:44:14,720
what's that that sun runner offshoot

4153
02:44:20,150 --> 02:44:16,479
video that i mentioned yesterday

4154
02:44:23,349 --> 02:44:20,160
uh the the what video

4155
02:44:26,870 --> 02:44:23,359
sun runner offshoot no i did not

4156
02:44:28,870 --> 02:44:26,880
uh did you send it to me uh

4157
02:44:30,389 --> 02:44:28,880
no it's on my youtube channel slightly

4158
02:44:33,110 --> 02:44:30,399
slanted sleuth but i mean it's

4159
02:44:34,710 --> 02:44:33,120
only 45 seconds and it's the only video

4160
02:44:37,190 --> 02:44:34,720
on youtube that's called that

4161
02:44:38,150 --> 02:44:37,200
sun runner offshoot okay send me the

4162
02:44:41,190 --> 02:44:38,160
link that's much

4163
02:44:43,429 --> 02:44:41,200
easier thank you okay okay

4164
02:44:44,870 --> 02:44:43,439
thank you steve good show tonight yeah

4165
02:44:47,269 --> 02:44:44,880
it was a great show thank you steve

4166
02:44:51,429 --> 02:44:47,279
behave out there in the youtube world

4167
02:44:55,349 --> 02:44:51,439
um i i

4168
02:44:57,110 --> 02:44:55,359
i i agree

4169
02:44:58,710 --> 02:44:57,120
you know you want to bring up stonehenge

4170
02:45:01,269 --> 02:44:58,720
or go backly tapi

4171
02:45:02,630 --> 02:45:01,279
or you can even bring up giza or machu

4172
02:45:06,070 --> 02:45:02,640
picchu

4173
02:45:09,910 --> 02:45:06,080
uh you can bring up uh anger watt

4174
02:45:11,429 --> 02:45:09,920
of course there are locations around

4175
02:45:14,469 --> 02:45:11,439
this planet that meant

4176
02:45:17,590 --> 02:45:14,479
a lot to not only

4177
02:45:21,990 --> 02:45:17,600
those civilizations then but they mean

4178
02:45:25,670 --> 02:45:22,000
something today when you go to

4179
02:45:29,590 --> 02:45:25,680
uh these these special places

4180
02:45:33,590 --> 02:45:29,600
things happen things just happen

4181
02:45:36,630 --> 02:45:33,600
i can't uh i can't explain them away

4182
02:45:39,590 --> 02:45:36,640
now i've not only um

4183
02:45:41,990 --> 02:45:39,600
seen things in in the sky that i can't

4184
02:45:43,670 --> 02:45:42,000
explain of course there's that part but

4185
02:45:44,870 --> 02:45:43,680
there's things that are going on in the

4186
02:45:48,790 --> 02:45:44,880
ground

4187
02:45:51,030 --> 02:45:48,800
and at the conference i keep going back

4188
02:45:52,710 --> 02:45:51,040
to ufo megacon but that's because it was

4189
02:45:53,590 --> 02:45:52,720
great number one but number two it just

4190
02:45:55,510 --> 02:45:53,600
happened

4191
02:45:57,510 --> 02:45:55,520
but i went back and i told the story

4192
02:46:01,110 --> 02:45:57,520
once again

4193
02:46:05,429 --> 02:46:01,120
about the orb that i saw i

4194
02:46:08,870 --> 02:46:05,439
i i've always looked at orbs

4195
02:46:11,269 --> 02:46:08,880
as dust

4196
02:46:13,510 --> 02:46:11,279
bugs you know you see the photographs

4197
02:46:15,990 --> 02:46:13,520
you see the images and

4198
02:46:17,750 --> 02:46:16,000
you know i i've i have really haven't

4199
02:46:19,910 --> 02:46:17,760
seen anything that was

4200
02:46:20,950 --> 02:46:19,920
totally compelling and convincing it

4201
02:46:24,309 --> 02:46:20,960
could be anything

4202
02:46:26,950 --> 02:46:24,319
and lens flare with cameras and

4203
02:46:29,190 --> 02:46:26,960
and i started to see something that was

4204
02:46:33,510 --> 02:46:29,200
pretty interesting where

4205
02:46:36,790 --> 02:46:33,520
i would go out with uh my cell phone

4206
02:46:41,030 --> 02:46:36,800
and move it around and

4207
02:46:45,030 --> 02:46:41,040
red blue and green orbs

4208
02:46:47,750 --> 02:46:45,040
would form around a lit object

4209
02:46:49,830 --> 02:46:47,760
right so lit objects over here i'm

4210
02:46:53,590 --> 02:46:49,840
shooting over here but if there is

4211
02:46:55,670 --> 02:46:53,600
it's not in frame but that

4212
02:46:57,510 --> 02:46:55,680
you know these orbs would be there

4213
02:47:00,870 --> 02:46:57,520
there's something in the

4214
02:47:04,150 --> 02:47:00,880
the uh the pickup uh

4215
02:47:07,190 --> 02:47:04,160
the sensor in these digital

4216
02:47:08,710 --> 02:47:07,200
cameras that photograph this so you can

4217
02:47:11,990 --> 02:47:08,720
turn around and you can

4218
02:47:14,630 --> 02:47:12,000
and you can move it around and the orb

4219
02:47:16,710 --> 02:47:14,640
looks like it's moved but it's following

4220
02:47:19,990 --> 02:47:16,720
the camera

4221
02:47:23,590 --> 02:47:20,000
right it's not physically locked in a

4222
02:47:24,630 --> 02:47:23,600
spot out in front of me i can see it in

4223
02:47:26,790 --> 02:47:24,640
the camera

4224
02:47:29,349 --> 02:47:26,800
if i move my camera the orb isn't

4225
02:47:32,389 --> 02:47:29,359
staying over here

4226
02:47:34,630 --> 02:47:32,399
it's moving with the camera

4227
02:47:35,590 --> 02:47:34,640
but if you take a still photograph of

4228
02:47:49,349 --> 02:47:35,600
that

4229
02:47:52,710 --> 02:47:49,359
photographed and i see them online

4230
02:47:55,990 --> 02:47:52,720
ah right that's where i'm at with it

4231
02:47:59,030 --> 02:47:56,000
but then i saw with my eyes

4232
02:48:00,790 --> 02:47:59,040
you see an orb with your eyes and now

4233
02:48:02,150 --> 02:48:00,800
it's a whole different thing and the one

4234
02:48:03,910 --> 02:48:02,160
that i saw

4235
02:48:05,590 --> 02:48:03,920
uh for those of you that are listening

4236
02:48:09,190 --> 02:48:05,600
and i've heard this before

4237
02:48:11,670 --> 02:48:09,200
okay i apologize but uh for those

4238
02:48:13,269 --> 02:48:11,680
that haven't heard this before this is

4239
02:48:16,870 --> 02:48:13,279
what happened

4240
02:48:18,790 --> 02:48:16,880
i uh let me grab

4241
02:48:21,349 --> 02:48:18,800
here's a penny this is a good way to

4242
02:48:24,150 --> 02:48:21,359
describe it so

4243
02:48:25,910 --> 02:48:24,160
open field meadow in front of us with

4244
02:48:30,710 --> 02:48:25,920
the tree line in the back

4245
02:48:32,469 --> 02:48:30,720
and the tree line is probably a quarter

4246
02:48:34,550 --> 02:48:32,479
mile away

4247
02:48:36,389 --> 02:48:34,560
it's a good distance not 100 yards

4248
02:48:41,190 --> 02:48:36,399
quarter mile

4249
02:48:43,830 --> 02:48:41,200
and behind the trees

4250
02:48:45,349 --> 02:48:43,840
this first row of trees and that were

4251
02:48:48,230 --> 02:48:45,359
really tall

4252
02:48:49,990 --> 02:48:48,240
um i saw something and so it kind of

4253
02:48:52,070 --> 02:48:50,000
caught my eye

4254
02:48:53,830 --> 02:48:52,080
it's at night it's about you know 11

4255
02:48:54,790 --> 02:48:53,840
o'clock 10 o'clock 11 o'clock at night

4256
02:48:56,790 --> 02:48:54,800
it's dark

4257
02:48:58,790 --> 02:48:56,800
a lot of people out there with us but

4258
02:49:00,790 --> 02:48:58,800
i'm looking across and i saw something

4259
02:49:04,389 --> 02:49:00,800
behind the trees

4260
02:49:06,950 --> 02:49:04,399
and then this thing it was tiny at first

4261
02:49:08,230 --> 02:49:06,960
came out from behind the tree and then

4262
02:49:10,070 --> 02:49:08,240
grew

4263
02:49:11,510 --> 02:49:10,080
remember this is about a quarter of a

4264
02:49:14,870 --> 02:49:11,520
mile away

4265
02:49:18,790 --> 02:49:14,880
and and and came down

4266
02:49:22,070 --> 02:49:18,800
right and it's ground level but

4267
02:49:25,190 --> 02:49:22,080
it was flat it was round

4268
02:49:28,790 --> 02:49:25,200
from the front but i could see

4269
02:49:32,630 --> 02:49:28,800
that it didn't it didn't have

4270
02:49:36,309 --> 02:49:32,640
it wasn't a sphere you could see that

4271
02:49:37,190 --> 02:49:36,319
it was two-dimensional and it's now

4272
02:49:39,750 --> 02:49:37,200
sitting down

4273
02:49:40,710 --> 02:49:39,760
in front of me in the field and i rubbed

4274
02:49:43,030 --> 02:49:40,720
my eyes

4275
02:49:45,429 --> 02:49:43,040
i literally went man i'm getting tired

4276
02:49:47,190 --> 02:49:45,439
something's floating in my eyes

4277
02:49:48,870 --> 02:49:47,200
i kind of do this and i look and it's

4278
02:49:52,950 --> 02:49:48,880
still there

4279
02:49:55,269 --> 02:49:52,960
and this lady and it's gray

4280
02:49:56,469 --> 02:49:55,279
that's the thing wasn't silver it was

4281
02:50:00,550 --> 02:49:56,479
flat gray

4282
02:50:02,150 --> 02:50:00,560
wasn't shiny it was gray

4283
02:50:04,070 --> 02:50:02,160
this lady standing right here with her

4284
02:50:05,910 --> 02:50:04,080
husband and

4285
02:50:08,469 --> 02:50:05,920
her daughter but she's right here and

4286
02:50:10,630 --> 02:50:08,479
she says over my shoulder is anybody

4287
02:50:13,830 --> 02:50:10,640
looking at that gray orb

4288
02:50:16,230 --> 02:50:13,840
out there and i turn around and i said

4289
02:50:17,990 --> 02:50:16,240
you mean this bleep is real

4290
02:50:20,150 --> 02:50:18,000
and i turned around and then somebody to

4291
02:50:21,030 --> 02:50:20,160
my left in the dark i don't know who it

4292
02:50:23,110 --> 02:50:21,040
was

4293
02:50:25,590 --> 02:50:23,120
but they're murmuring look at that gray

4294
02:50:29,910 --> 02:50:25,600
orb out there

4295
02:50:35,110 --> 02:50:29,920
and i want and it just faded away

4296
02:50:38,870 --> 02:50:38,309
15 seconds that's my guess about 15

4297
02:50:43,110 --> 02:50:38,880
seconds

4298
02:50:46,070 --> 02:50:43,120
good chunk of time but then it was gone

4299
02:50:47,990 --> 02:50:46,080
and now i'm talking about this area

4300
02:50:51,269 --> 02:50:48,000
everybody else had seen it

4301
02:50:54,469 --> 02:50:51,279
it was physical it was real this wasn't

4302
02:50:57,830 --> 02:50:54,479
you know uh through my

4303
02:50:59,030 --> 02:50:57,840
phone or through some electronic device

4304
02:51:01,110 --> 02:50:59,040
or a video camera

4305
02:51:02,710 --> 02:51:01,120
it wasn't that i was just sitting in a

4306
02:51:05,830 --> 02:51:02,720
chair

4307
02:51:09,269 --> 02:51:05,840
and uh so the next day

4308
02:51:11,110 --> 02:51:09,279
um i went out now i want to debunk this

4309
02:51:14,150 --> 02:51:11,120
because i thought that it was too

4310
02:51:16,389 --> 02:51:14,160
cool it was too perfect it was

4311
02:51:18,630 --> 02:51:16,399
right there it was physical and it was

4312
02:51:21,990 --> 02:51:18,640
real and it was this orb

4313
02:51:25,429 --> 02:51:22,000
so i get on a motorcycle and i

4314
02:51:29,269 --> 02:51:25,439
ride to the back of this property

4315
02:51:31,830 --> 02:51:29,279
and uh and i stop and i get off the

4316
02:51:34,950 --> 02:51:31,840
motorcycle and i'm looking around

4317
02:51:36,870 --> 02:51:34,960
i was looking for and i'm being serious

4318
02:51:37,910 --> 02:51:36,880
too because i was not happy about this

4319
02:51:40,550 --> 02:51:37,920
because it was

4320
02:51:41,750 --> 02:51:40,560
real it was real it really happened i

4321
02:51:45,110 --> 02:51:41,760
really saw it

4322
02:51:48,309 --> 02:51:45,120
so i was looking for like maybe

4323
02:51:50,469 --> 02:51:48,319
uh a thin piece of plastic

4324
02:51:52,630 --> 02:51:50,479
was it projected was there something was

4325
02:51:55,269 --> 02:51:52,640
somebody playing a trick

4326
02:51:55,750 --> 02:51:55,279
um i looked for any evidence of that i

4327
02:51:58,469 --> 02:51:55,760
and the

4328
02:51:59,510 --> 02:51:58,479
uh i didn't find anything i also looked

4329
02:52:02,630 --> 02:51:59,520
on the ground

4330
02:52:05,429 --> 02:52:02,640
um i took a serious look back there for

4331
02:52:06,469 --> 02:52:05,439
an extension cable was somebody back

4332
02:52:10,230 --> 02:52:06,479
there that night

4333
02:52:12,389 --> 02:52:10,240
with uh uh a projector

4334
02:52:13,510 --> 02:52:12,399
and they're plugging stuff in was that

4335
02:52:16,630 --> 02:52:13,520
going on

4336
02:52:19,590 --> 02:52:16,640
nothing and the other part from

4337
02:52:19,910 --> 02:52:19,600
that was fascinating to me was once i

4338
02:52:22,309 --> 02:52:19,920
got

4339
02:52:23,110 --> 02:52:22,319
back there and i was able to take a look

4340
02:52:26,230 --> 02:52:23,120
was where

4341
02:52:28,950 --> 02:52:26,240
i saw where where i felt

4342
02:52:30,710 --> 02:52:28,960
i could see basically the outline it's

4343
02:52:32,550 --> 02:52:30,720
dark but i could see the outline of this

4344
02:52:34,630 --> 02:52:32,560
meadow this field

4345
02:52:36,070 --> 02:52:34,640
and when i got back there the tree line

4346
02:52:37,910 --> 02:52:36,080
wasn't as close

4347
02:52:39,990 --> 02:52:37,920
to the fence line as i thought the tree

4348
02:52:41,269 --> 02:52:40,000
line was actually back about 10 or 20

4349
02:52:44,710 --> 02:52:41,279
yards

4350
02:52:46,630 --> 02:52:44,720
it wasn't where uh i thought it was like

4351
02:52:49,990 --> 02:52:46,640
right on top of each other

4352
02:52:52,070 --> 02:52:50,000
so where i know where i felt

4353
02:52:53,990 --> 02:52:52,080
where this thing came down in the field

4354
02:52:55,510 --> 02:52:54,000
i parked the motorcycle trees are over

4355
02:52:56,630 --> 02:52:55,520
here where i saw it come down in the

4356
02:52:59,670 --> 02:52:56,640
field

4357
02:53:03,510 --> 02:52:59,680
was actually way over here

4358
02:53:06,710 --> 02:53:03,520
so and now well you couldn't have

4359
02:53:07,990 --> 02:53:06,720
put a movie screen or something over

4360
02:53:11,110 --> 02:53:08,000
there that's white out

4361
02:53:11,670 --> 02:53:11,120
in the open and i was starting to get a

4362
02:53:16,870 --> 02:53:11,680
little

4363
02:53:18,230 --> 02:53:16,880
because i thought i was just debunking

4364
02:53:21,670 --> 02:53:18,240
something

4365
02:53:23,510 --> 02:53:21,680
um and it turned out that so i got back

4366
02:53:23,990 --> 02:53:23,520
on the motorcycle and drove away and all

4367
02:53:27,990 --> 02:53:24,000
i can tell

4368
02:53:31,269 --> 02:53:28,000
you now is what i saw was real

4369
02:53:34,389 --> 02:53:31,279
it was there and i couldn't find any

4370
02:53:35,110 --> 02:53:34,399
evidence of anything we did um this was

4371
02:53:38,710 --> 02:53:35,120
probably

4372
02:53:42,389 --> 02:53:38,720
uh four years ago contact in the desert

4373
02:53:43,590 --> 02:53:42,399
and i don't know if it was 2016 or 2017

4374
02:53:46,070 --> 02:53:43,600
but one night

4375
02:53:48,150 --> 02:53:46,080
we did uh a close encounters of the

4376
02:53:49,510 --> 02:53:48,160
third kind presentation with the music

4377
02:53:53,110 --> 02:53:49,520
and

4378
02:53:54,389 --> 02:53:53,120
did that whole thing but um contact in

4379
02:53:57,590 --> 02:53:54,399
the desert

4380
02:54:02,469 --> 02:53:57,600
did this thing out in the middle of the

4381
02:54:06,389 --> 02:54:04,790
quarter mile out into the open desert

4382
02:54:09,429 --> 02:54:06,399
behind the stage

4383
02:54:11,990 --> 02:54:09,439
they had a screen and out there they

4384
02:54:14,550 --> 02:54:12,000
projected onto the screen

4385
02:54:15,830 --> 02:54:14,560
one of steven spielberg's flying saucers

4386
02:54:19,030 --> 02:54:15,840
from the movie

4387
02:54:20,790 --> 02:54:19,040
and i'm here to tell you i didn't take

4388
02:54:21,990 --> 02:54:20,800
any pictures and i should have and i

4389
02:54:23,670 --> 02:54:22,000
thought about that that night and the

4390
02:54:25,429 --> 02:54:23,680
reason why i didn't take any pictures is

4391
02:54:26,070 --> 02:54:25,439
if i would have posted those on the net

4392
02:54:27,910 --> 02:54:26,080
then

4393
02:54:29,910 --> 02:54:27,920
they would have proliferated and

4394
02:54:31,349 --> 02:54:29,920
somebody would have said it was real and

4395
02:54:33,510 --> 02:54:31,359
you know next thing you know we've got

4396
02:54:37,830 --> 02:54:33,520
this this hoax going on

4397
02:54:41,190 --> 02:54:37,840
but there was 2 000 people

4398
02:54:42,790 --> 02:54:41,200
that night uh uh with us

4399
02:54:44,550 --> 02:54:42,800
and i'm out there and we're all seeing

4400
02:54:45,750 --> 02:54:44,560
the same thing and i'm telling you right

4401
02:54:48,389 --> 02:54:45,760
now

4402
02:54:49,670 --> 02:54:48,399
that was real it was a real projection

4403
02:54:52,790 --> 02:54:49,680
on the screen

4404
02:54:55,670 --> 02:54:52,800
but from where we sat in the night

4405
02:54:57,990 --> 02:54:55,680
out there in the desert that projection

4406
02:54:59,670 --> 02:54:58,000
that was the most amazing thing to see

4407
02:55:00,070 --> 02:54:59,680
if you're gonna see a real flying saucer

4408
02:55:03,990 --> 02:55:00,080
on the

4409
02:55:08,790 --> 02:55:04,000
night that was it

4410
02:55:10,550 --> 02:55:08,800
and we all saw it and so when this orb

4411
02:55:12,150 --> 02:55:10,560
and i knew what was going on i saw them

4412
02:55:13,510 --> 02:55:12,160
set up earlier in the day and i knew

4413
02:55:15,190 --> 02:55:13,520
that they were going to do this flying

4414
02:55:15,990 --> 02:55:15,200
saucer and landing in this thing out

4415
02:55:18,070 --> 02:55:16,000
there and

4416
02:55:19,190 --> 02:55:18,080
and it was really really cool but i'm

4417
02:55:22,550 --> 02:55:19,200
telling you

4418
02:55:24,309 --> 02:55:22,560
that was spot on that would have fooled

4419
02:55:26,389 --> 02:55:24,319
anybody if you didn't know this was the

4420
02:55:27,590 --> 02:55:26,399
close encounters presentation

4421
02:55:29,590 --> 02:55:27,600
and you had somebody out there in the

4422
02:55:30,550 --> 02:55:29,600
desert doing that it would have messed

4423
02:55:33,349 --> 02:55:30,560
with your head

4424
02:55:34,309 --> 02:55:33,359
and i remembered that that's why i went

4425
02:55:36,150 --> 02:55:34,319
out to see

4426
02:55:37,830 --> 02:55:36,160
if somebody was projecting this or

4427
02:55:41,349 --> 02:55:37,840
because the whole flat

4428
02:55:43,830 --> 02:55:41,359
part of it the two-dimensional thing

4429
02:55:46,150 --> 02:55:43,840
i was thinking it was a projection um

4430
02:55:47,190 --> 02:55:46,160
how it came out from behind the trees i

4431
02:55:51,269 --> 02:55:47,200
don't know

4432
02:55:52,389 --> 02:55:51,279
orb unless it was just a real orb okay

4433
02:55:54,309 --> 02:55:52,399
so that's a story

4434
02:55:55,750 --> 02:55:54,319
i've got uh people on hold for quite a

4435
02:55:57,190 --> 02:55:55,760
while let's get back to the calls

4436
02:56:00,550 --> 02:55:57,200
hi you're live on fade to black who's

4437
02:56:07,590 --> 02:56:04,469
you're live hi this is gage this is who

4438
02:56:09,750 --> 02:56:07,600
gage hey gage how are you man

4439
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i'm good how are you i'm doing fantastic

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i just got a couple of minutes left

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before the end of the show

4442
02:56:16,150 --> 02:56:15,760
sorry you were on hold uh for so long uh

4443
02:56:18,790 --> 02:56:16,160
uh

4444
02:56:19,190 --> 02:56:18,800
what's on your mind why are you calling

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02:56:55,830 --> 02:56:19,200
i

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02:57:00,870 --> 02:56:55,840
he's

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and saying definitively that this is

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02:57:04,630 --> 02:57:02,640
what is going on

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02:57:06,830 --> 02:57:04,640
so hopefully for stephen it's going to

4450
02:57:09,510 --> 02:57:06,840
play out that way and he's going to look

4451
02:57:12,230 --> 02:57:09,520
uh play the part of the hero but if it

4452
02:57:14,710 --> 02:57:12,240
doesn't if it doesn't go his way

4453
02:57:16,550 --> 02:57:14,720
um it's gonna be pretty tough on on on

4454
02:57:19,030 --> 02:57:16,560
somebody's reputation so i don't know

4455
02:57:19,590 --> 02:57:19,040
i i really don't know it is it does seem

4456
02:57:21,750 --> 02:57:19,600
like he

4457
02:57:23,510 --> 02:57:21,760
he switches his uh point of view quite a

4458
02:57:25,590 --> 02:57:23,520
bit so

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i just i was just curious on what you

4460
02:57:29,190 --> 02:57:26,960
what's your thoughts on it

4461
02:57:30,230 --> 02:57:29,200
yeah you're not the only one scratching

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02:57:31,750 --> 02:57:30,240
their heads right

4463
02:57:34,710 --> 02:57:31,760
you know you know what i mean that are

4464
02:57:37,030 --> 02:57:34,720
wondering about this disclosure

4465
02:57:38,230 --> 02:57:37,040
event that he put together was great yep

4466
02:57:40,150 --> 02:57:38,240
i mean no question

4467
02:57:42,150 --> 02:57:40,160
no question about it ever since then it

4468
02:57:44,309 --> 02:57:42,160
just seems like it's been

4469
02:57:46,389 --> 02:57:44,319
he's more and more out there in what

4470
02:57:47,269 --> 02:57:46,399
he's saying well this last couple of

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02:57:50,870 --> 02:57:47,279
months he's been

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02:57:53,510 --> 02:57:50,880
very very loud and very vocal

4473
02:57:55,830 --> 02:57:53,520
and uh you need to if you're going to be

4474
02:57:58,469 --> 02:57:55,840
doing this and saying this as definitive

4475
02:58:00,309 --> 02:57:58,479
fact which is what he is doing it's got

4476
02:58:02,150 --> 02:58:00,319
to play out that way because if it does

4477
02:58:03,990 --> 02:58:02,160
but this is the other thing when it

4478
02:58:06,870 --> 02:58:04,000
comes to stephen and

4479
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i respect this and i appreciate this he

4480
02:58:11,510 --> 02:58:07,760
has got

4481
02:58:14,389 --> 02:58:11,520
a lot of fans in his camp

4482
02:58:15,110 --> 02:58:14,399
right absolutely right right so let's

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02:58:17,030 --> 02:58:15,120
say

4484
02:58:18,870 --> 02:58:17,040
there is no fake alien invasion that

4485
02:58:21,510 --> 02:58:18,880
it's not backwards alien tech

4486
02:58:24,389 --> 02:58:21,520
and and there's no issues with lou

4487
02:58:26,550 --> 02:58:24,399
elizondo or chris mellon or everything

4488
02:58:28,469 --> 02:58:26,560
let's say none of that plays out the way

4489
02:58:30,550 --> 02:58:28,479
that stephen has presented it

4490
02:58:32,150 --> 02:58:30,560
he's still got millions of people that

4491
02:58:35,429 --> 02:58:32,160
listen to that are not

4492
02:58:38,150 --> 02:58:35,439
going to a care or be

4493
02:58:39,750 --> 02:58:38,160
including celebrities that's right and

4494
02:58:40,870 --> 02:58:39,760
it's not going to change their opinion

4495
02:58:42,950 --> 02:58:40,880
about him

4496
02:58:44,469 --> 02:58:42,960
and uh so that's it it's just another

4497
02:58:45,670 --> 02:58:44,479
piece to the puzzle i think we should

4498
02:58:48,389 --> 02:58:45,680
listen to stephen

4499
02:58:49,269 --> 02:58:48,399
just like we listen to everybody so and

4500
02:58:52,150 --> 02:58:49,279
that's my take

4501
02:58:53,110 --> 02:58:52,160
and unacknowledged was a fantastic film

4502
02:58:55,110 --> 02:58:53,120
it was a great film

4503
02:58:56,309 --> 02:58:55,120
i was there for the premiere i was right

4504
02:59:03,510 --> 02:58:56,319
there

4505
02:59:06,710 --> 02:59:03,520
did the red carpet i interviewed stephen

4506
02:59:08,790 --> 02:59:06,720
right and it was really funny uh i think

4507
02:59:11,590 --> 02:59:08,800
he was going to interview me i ended up

4508
02:59:13,750 --> 02:59:11,600
taking the mic from him on camera

4509
02:59:15,510 --> 02:59:13,760
he was up there and he's wearing his

4510
02:59:16,630 --> 02:59:15,520
fade to black hat it was pretty funny it

4511
02:59:20,790 --> 02:59:16,640
was pretty funny

4512
02:59:22,950 --> 02:59:20,800
but uh there you go is he a nice guy

4513
02:59:24,870 --> 02:59:22,960
i mean i've heard mixed stories about it

4514
02:59:26,870 --> 02:59:24,880
you know what he believes

4515
02:59:29,110 --> 02:59:26,880
uh what he believes he's pretty strong

4516
02:59:31,110 --> 02:59:29,120
in person i think he's a good guy though

4517
02:59:32,790 --> 02:59:31,120
i i really do i really do

4518
02:59:34,230 --> 02:59:32,800
thank you so much gage i gotta roll

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credits and get out of here we'll see

4520
02:59:36,630 --> 02:59:35,040
you tomorrow night

4521
02:59:38,309 --> 02:59:36,640
all righty nice talking to you have a

4522
02:59:40,070 --> 02:59:38,319
nice night yeah you too that's a great

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02:59:42,070 --> 02:59:40,080
phone call right there

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02:59:44,150 --> 02:59:42,080
and uh i've gotta i gotta get out of

4525
02:59:46,630 --> 02:59:44,160
here i gotta get straight to credits

4526
02:59:47,349 --> 02:59:46,640
and uh thank you to trey hudson another

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02:59:49,510 --> 02:59:47,359
great night

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02:59:50,469 --> 02:59:49,520
on the show another great conversation

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02:59:51,990 --> 02:59:50,479
tomorrow night

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02:59:54,870 --> 02:59:52,000
we're gonna have fader night and i

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02:59:57,670 --> 02:59:54,880
believe and i'll find out tomorrow

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02:59:59,590 --> 02:59:57,680
but uh we should uh we should have

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03:00:00,710 --> 02:59:59,600
somebody join us for the first segment

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tomorrow night

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03:00:53,190 --> 03:00:51,200
tomorrow night fader night we made it

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i'll see everybody tomorrow until then

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be safe